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    Posted: September 04 2024 at 06:54
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Waka/Jawaka and The Grand Wazoo are indeed two superb Zappa jazz albums.
I think of Classic US Jazz and Jazz Rock Fusion as not the same thing. Classic Jazz doesn't rock.
By the time we reach Zappa's Grand Wazoo album, I'll have changed this series of poll titles back to US Jazz Fusion, to try and avoid con-Fusion. Smile

It's good to see Herbie Hancock has a resounding lead in the poll so far with twice as many votes as any other album. Tongue


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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Waka/Jawaka and The Grand Wazoo are indeed two superb Zappa jazz albums.
I think of Classic US Jazz and Jazz Rock Fusion as not the same thing. Classic Jazz doesn't rock.
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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Miles SmilesSmile

Freak Out:  outright odd
Why should Wayne Shorter pout? 
Unless Bacharach Hancock'ed in front of Coltrane's
Insane saxophone shout...

Ting! Sigh and moan at
Henry, Herb, and Herbie's 
Jazz record pile

Nina cute, Let it all out
at Evan's and Benson's 
Uptown Hall...she sang,
 
I have no doubt 
if Davis's Smile would have been polled
He would win by miles... in a rout.Wink


This may be the only year in which Miles doesn't appear, but never fear, Miles' Smiles is coming up in the following year. Wink
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Lumpy Gravy is the first Zappa release under his name.


Yes, Francis Vincent Zappa & The Abnuceals Emuukha Electric Symphony Orchestra & Chorus's Lumpy Gravy is the first under his name. So I would think that that is the best place to start with Zappa, and not Hot Rats.

that said, for Paul complete discography type of listening, I think starting with The Mother of Invention ain't a bad way to start with Zappa, and I'm glad that I listened to those The Mothers of Invention albums. Because genre can change depending on the album, I kind of think of these series titles as loose guides to the artists (even if it does not fit individual albums). Labels are useful, but the music itself matters more, I might say. :)
I was taking my cue from Wikipedia, which has Freak Out listed as the first Frank Zappa album, even though some might say it's not a Zappa album. Smile
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Lumpy Gravy is the first Zappa release under his name.


Yes, Francis Vincent Zappa & The Abnuceals Emuukha Electric Symphony Orchestra & Chorus's Lumpy Gravy is the first under his name. So I would think that that is the best place to start with Zappa, and not Hot Rats.

that said, for Paul complete discography type of listening, I think starting with The Mother of Invention ain't a bad way to start with Zappa, and I'm glad that I listened to those The Mothers of Invention albums. Because genre can change depending on the album, I kind of think of these series titles as loose guides to the artists (even if it does not fit individual albums). Labels are useful, but the music itself matters more, I might say. :)

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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Miles SmilesSmile

Freak Out is odd and out...
Yes, that's the Freaky odd one Out that no one's voted for so far, although I may have doomed the album's chances by predicting a win for it earlier. Smile
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Miles SmilesSmile

Freak Out:  outright odd
Why should Wayne Shorter pout? 
Unless Bacharach Hancock'ed in front of Coltrane's
Insane saxophone shout...

Ting! Sigh and moan at
Henry, Herb, and Herbie's 
Jazz record pile

Nina cute, Let it all out
at Evan's and Benson's 
Uptown Hall...she sang,
 
I have no doubt 
if Davis's Smile would have been polled
He would win by miles... in a rout.Wink




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^Lumpy Gravy is the first Zappa release under his name.
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Love Blow-Up. Even if first released in 1967, I'll give it a vote. Otherwise I would go with John Coltrane's Ascension.

If including Frank Zappa, then I would have left out the Mothers of Invention albums for this, and maybe his Lumpy Gravy collaboration. The first just under Zappa's name is Hot Rats. That said, whatever, no need for me to be pedantic.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Hancock!

Hancock's half hour of groovy 1960's jazz. Smile
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1. Henry Mancini - The Academy Award Songs
2. Gary McFarland & Gabor Szabo - Simpatico 
3. Herb Alpert & the Tijuana Brass - What Now My Love
4. Julie London - For the Night People 
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Waka/Jawaka and The Grand Wazoo are indeed two superb Zappa jazz albums.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:


By the way, the Mothers of Invention are here because I thought Zappa fans would complain if I didn't include them, bearing in mind Frank Zappa will be featured in all of the following Jazz Fusion polls. Smile
I don't think anyone thinks of Zappa as Classic US Jazz, because it just isn't. The Mothers of Invention even less so.

-I've got a 1966-pressing of Maiden Voyage. My bad.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Not a single one in my personal top 20 of the year this time. And. what the hell is Freak Out! doing there? It's not by Zappa btw.

Paul Bley Trio - Touching
Lee Morgan - Search for the New Land
Sun Ra - The Lady With the Golden Stockings (aka  The Nubians of Plutonia)
Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil
Chico Hamilton - El Chico
Komeda Quintet - Astigmatic
Bobby Hutcherson - Components
Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage
Andrew Hill - Smoke Stack
Jackie McLean - Right Now!
The Joe Harriott Double Quintet - Indo-Jazz Suite
Joe Henderson - Inner Urge
Don Cherry - Complete Communion
Duke Pearson - Wahoo
Anthony Williams - Spring
Ed Thigpen - Out of the Storm
Herbie Mann - Monday Night at The Village Gate
Steve Kuhn Trio - Three Waves
Yusef Lateef - Psychicemotus
The Charles Lloyd Quartet - Dream Weaver

...but The Magic City is in my top 25 though.
The only two albums I know from your list are by the two Herbies - Mann and Hancock - and Maiden Voyage was in the previous 1965 poll. Smile

By the way, the Mothers of Invention are here because I thought Zappa fans would complain if I didn't include them, bearing in mind Frank Zappa will be featured in all of the following Jazz Fusion polls. Smile
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Btw, Blow Up wasn't released before early 1967.

That's true, but it does say 1966 on the album cover, so I thought I could just about get away with including it in the 1966 poll. Smile



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Btw, Blow Up wasn't released before early 1967.
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Not a single one in my personal top 20 of the year this time. And. what the hell is Freak Out! doing there? It's not by Zappa btw.

Paul Bley Trio - Touching
Lee Morgan - Search for the New Land
Sun Ra - The Lady With the Golden Stockings (aka  The Nubians of Plutonia)
Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil
Chico Hamilton - El Chico
Komeda Quintet - Astigmatic
Bobby Hutcherson - Components
Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage
Andrew Hill - Smoke Stack
Jackie McLean - Right Now!
The Joe Harriott Double Quintet - Indo-Jazz Suite
Joe Henderson - Inner Urge
Don Cherry - Complete Communion
Duke Pearson - Wahoo
Anthony Williams - Spring
Ed Thigpen - Out of the Storm
Herbie Mann - Monday Night at The Village Gate
Steve Kuhn Trio - Three Waves
Yusef Lateef - Psychicemotus
The Charles Lloyd Quartet - Dream Weaver

...but The Magic City is in my top 25 though.
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Herb Alpert & the Tijuana Brass - What Now My Love
Frank Zappa & the Mothers of Invention - Freak Out! 
Booker T. & the M.G.'s - And Now! 
Julie London - For the Night People
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

The only one of these I've heard is the Zappa, but jazz?

Frank Zappa will be in all of the up-and-coming Jazz Fusion polls, so I couldn't possibly consider leaving his first album out of this poll, even though it's not jazz. Anyway, that was the odd one out mentioned in the intro. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Frank Zappa wins this poll as most of the other albums in the poll aren't nearly as well known. Smile

Hey, I just noticed all of the unwanted computer gobbledegook has disappeared from my text (even though I'm using my Brave browser), at least for the time being anyway. Ermm


Edited by Psychedelic Paul - September 03 2024 at 07:43
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