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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Many German bands are better live than studio, and have good live albums that show it. Grobschnitt have already been named, Kraan is another major example (probably number one "live over studio" band for me); all their live albums top all their studio albums. Hoelderlin Live Traumstadt is head and shoulders above their studio work, Anyone's Daughter's Requested Documents live albums have better versions than studio of most of the tracks, Guru Guru Live is my favourite of them. Eloy would also improve on most of their studio versions live. Embryo probably as well (although I'd need to know more of them to be sure). Tangerine Dream is of course a special case with all that material that is on live albums only. 

Eloy Live is one of the greatest live prog albums. Jurgen Rosenthal is in fire. BTW Jurgen wrote all of the Ocean album, a fact that not many are aware of. Neil Peart eat your hat!
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Emerson, Lake and Palmer.
There is a lot and I listen to their live material a lot more nowadays especially:
Mar Y Sol (Puerto Rico 1972). Great Hammond sound!
Live in Italy (Milan 1973). Has Karn Evil 9 1st Impression the same as the album (ie without the extended drum solo that almost ruins the triple album version) Carl Palmer's bass drum is very heavy indeed.
Welcome Back My Friends.. (Anahiem 1974). For the extended Tarkus but it's a muddy sounding album sadly.
King Biscuit Presents (has the same performances of Hoedown and Karn Evil 9 that were in the live triple above but with better sounding ''Straight from boards'' recordings)
Live Bootleg Series Volume 2 (this includes ELP's greatest live performance in the opinion of many fans at Rich Coloseum, Buffalo, NY in 1974. Sound quality is not great but you can still actually hear the quad system in action and it's insane!)
Nassau Coloseum and the even better Wheeling, West Virginia 2 CD set both of which I play the death out of. The latter is superbly recorded and the band were on fire by this time on the Works Tour (just as a 3 piece with orchestra long ditched)
If I listen to any ELP after their classic era then occasionally Live At The Royal Albert Hall from 1992 is decent. 
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Many German bands are better live than studio, and have good live albums that show it. Grobschnitt have already been named, Kraan is another major example (probably number one "live over studio" band for me); all their live albums top all their studio albums. Hoelderlin Live Traumstadt is head and shoulders above their studio work, Anyone's Daughter's Requested Documents live albums have better versions than studio of most of the tracks, Guru Guru Live is my favourite of them. Eloy would also improve on most of their studio versions live. Embryo probably as well (although I'd need to know more of them to be sure). Tangerine Dream is of course a special case with all that material that is on live albums only. 
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Great choices. Some bands are better live than in the studio. For me, Renaissance and Deep Purple are two of them.
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Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:


I'm in your corner Hugues, Soft Machine is the first band I thought of when I saw the topic. There always seems to be a good reason to buy every archival live album that they release. Although I've abstained from the latest
"Hovikodden".

I think Steve has made a fortune from all the SM posthumous live releases I (we) bought from him (I'll include the few Nucleus live releases in there as well for me). Surely Steve will object to "making a fortune" out of those Soft releases, though.

TBH, I might actually pass as well on the latest Norwegian double header, as it might be a little of an overkill. 
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


King Crimson
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Hi,

Without a doubt these were/are the best live. 


But you erased Soft Machine. 

ConfusedLOL




I'm in your corner Hugues, Soft Machine is the first band I thought of when I saw the topic. There always seems to be a good reason to buy every archival live album that they release. Although I've abstained from the latest
"Hovikodden".
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

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But you erased Soft Machine. 

ConfusedLOL

Hi,

My bad, and it is because I have not heard SM Live forever ... I have not listened to SM since RW had to leave.

I promise to catch up ... but even in RW days they were already a heck of a trip.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


King Crimson
Grobschnitt

Soft Machine 


Magma
Can
Tangerine Dream 
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Hi,

Without a doubt these were/are the best live. 

But you erased Soft Machine. 

ConfusedLOL


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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


King Crimson
Grobschnitt
Magma
Can
Tangerine Dream 
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Hi,

Without a doubt these were/are the best live. 

KC is probably the most rehearsed and prepared of them all in concert. You don't do 3 drummers unless you know how and what you are doing! The film makes this clear.

Grobschnitt is one of those bands that is always fun and ready to play ... and they do show their abilities in a few live albums, specially the different versions of Solar Music live in the remastered album. 

Magma, would not be as good if they were not "clean" in concert, which is by very far a far out experience. 

Tangerine Dream, has the number of Live albums down the most, and the better ones, were actually in the early days ... when the bootlegs were what showed that TD could not quite replicate things as well as they were able to record them, but their adjustments and ability made them great anyway ... it probably wasn't until the late 70's that they started being able to control their music and then do it live. But you never saw them do the recorded material to a T ... it was always different and many times better live.

Can has excellent stuff in the days that Damo gave us ... and later, it did not show as many recordings without Damo, probably because there was no need for it. The albums were as live as they could be.

A few others ... 

The kings of the live show and album!!!! Grateful Dead, which has shared the largest amount of shows with their fans from the start ... although the big thing here was how different so much stuff was, but the musical talent and ability was way up there, sadly thought of by prog's and progressive folks as stony music and nothing else. They also, unlike a lot of bands, had the best sound system of any band ... even PF didn't come close in DSOTM.

The most talented ... Frank Zappa. And his bands were usually tight and well rehearsed, and in the days of George Duke, even more so, as he helped make it all special ... one look at the Roxy DVD ... and you always wish you were there ... a show that good? Goodness. Also try to see that bit by Steve Vai about Frank's ability to flow all over the place, with a massive solo that never played anywhere else. Steve still says that is the best guitar playing he has ever heard or seen.
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Frank Zappa

I was going to say the same. Zappa live is awesome. Every concert was so different, particularly from line-up to line-up. I love hearing different interpretations of his music with each new group of players, new technology, and newer genres for them to parody. Plus, the improvised bits, both musical and comedic, keep each concert fresh. Especially any audience participation.
You said it better than I could, and there is an abundance of live material to choose from.
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King Crimson
Grobschnitt
Soft Machine (clear winner)




to a certain extent (but I'm far from having most of the studio albums):
Magma
Can


.... and
Tangerine Dream (via the Hades Boxset)

EDIT:  I should indulge more on Tangerine's Schmoelling era live albums (studio albums are boring, past Tangram)


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Edited by Sean Trane - August 08 2024 at 06:19
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I don't particularly focus on live albums, but like to hear how the bands, all bands I like, play their music live. However, How many versions of Aqualung, Roundabout, 21st Century Schizoid Man,  Supper's Ready, etc. do I really need?
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Originally posted by Criswell Criswell wrote:

Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

None at all as for me, the Live albums are never a substitute for studios...

Live albums need to prove to be the whole greater than the sum of the parts, raising the music to a whole new level, to justify a place in my collection, such as Camel: Live Record, GG: Playing The Fool or Tull: Bursting Out 

I'd put ELP's Pictures at an Exhibition in that group...

It's a great album of course, but I own it because it's original material... 'Welcome Back' would be another fine example of where a band takes their studio material to another level artistically, and therefore is a collection essential.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

4 stars 1975: Ricochet
5 stars 1977: Encore
4 stars 1981: Quichotte (Pergamon)
5 stars 1982: Logos
5 stars 1984: Poland
4 stars 1988: Live Miles

When you put it like that, it's quite frightening.... I only own these six, plus Coventry Cathedral (1975) and Deutschlandhalle (1973) at present, but will also get the Zeit 2CD set in due course.
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Tangerine Dream's Live Albums  (with a special mention for the magnificent nine highlighted concerts featuring Linda Spa). Heart

5 stars 1977: Encore (Live 1977) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8is0eYVfxs
4 stars 1981: Quichotte (Pergamon) (Live) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aOHeg3XitM
5 stars 1984: Poland: The Warsaw Concert (Live) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsApXLYXdb4&t=6s
4 stars 1993: Three Phase: Live in America 1992 (DVD/Video) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n-2hTupDP4nYYRUkOFa2D6v6FRNZtB7nU
3 stars 1997: Tournado: Live in Europe - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SOScQaK3Fc&t=661s
4 stars 1999: Sohoman (Live: recorded in 1982) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZnS8psus-w&t=293s
3 stars 2000: Soundmill Navigator (Live: recorded in 1976) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zirvPTpQ2g
2 stars 2004: Aachen - January 21st 1981 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7MuHodEceI
4 stars 2004: Montreal - April 9th 1977 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRRygHCaU9I
4 stars 2004: Paris - February 2nd 1981 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sM-wA0QzQ0
3 stars 2004: Ottawa - June 20th 1986 
5 stars 2004: Arizona Live 1992 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WECaGWBvRQM
4 stars 2005: Cleveland - June 24th 1986 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7BZHhCq-S0
4 stars 2005: Brighton - March 25th 1986 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw-5UZeb_Tk
4 stars 2005: Kyoto (recorded in 1983) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8ax7OY7fCA
4 stars 2005: Rocking Mars (Live: recorded in 1999) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x92A7REbuo
5 stars 2006: Tempodrome Berlin (DVD/Video) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g48ZXWsFCoA
3 stars 2006: Preston - November 5th 1980 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn6WW0aasOM
4 stars 2006: Detroit - March 31st 1977 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SWCW2MDmqs
4 stars 2007: 35th Phaedra Anniversary Concert (DVD/Video: recorded in 2005) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUXri_bM3ks
4 stars 2007: Live at Coventry Cathedral 1975 (DVD/Video) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGByDwiiECw
5 stars 2007: One Night in Space - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYpEO2P38PM
5 stars 2009: The London Eye Concert - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyzPGKH0U58
5 stars 2009: Live in Los Angeles (DVD/Video) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n5n72n3Syk
5 stars 2010: Zeitgeist Concert: Live at the Royal Albert Hall, London -  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lPT8EN2bNNdsuExqq6fa6zFe6zHIFHdO4
5 stars 2010: Zeitgeist: Live in Lisbon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thpd59FmvAE
4 stars 2012: Live at Admiralspalast, Berlin
4 stars 2012: Live in Budapest
5 stars 2012: The Electric Mandarine Tour: The Zurich Switzerland Concert -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyiKD3YUEDI
5 stars 2013: Tangerine Dream & Brian May - Starmus: Sonic Universe
4 stars 2013: Cruise to Destiny - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atj__GYnX0Y
4 stars 2014: Phaedra Farewell Tour - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEgtmnoMNCA
5 stars 2015: Supernormal: The Australian Concerts
3 stars 2023: Silent Green Session 2022 (EP) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZUJOSOOnpQ
2 stars 2023: Live au Palais des Congres, Paris 1978 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_1_OwHXaqw
3 stars 2023: Botanique Orangerie Session 2022 (EP) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2ce01Za0KI
3 stars 2023: The Sessions VIII - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9ruDyxssLQ



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Frank Zappa
I was going to say the same. Zappa live is awesome. Every concert was so different, particularly from line-up to line-up. I love hearing different interpretations of his music with each new group of players, new technology, and newer genres for them to parody. Plus, the improvised bits, both musical and comedic, keep each concert fresh. Especially any audience participation.
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

None at all as for me, the Live albums are never a substitute for studios...

Live albums need to prove to be the whole greater than the sum of the parts, raising the music to a whole new level, to justify a place in my collection, such as Camel: Live Record, GG: Playing The Fool or Tull: Bursting Out 

I'd put ELP's Pictures at an Exhibition in that group...
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None at all as for me, the Live albums are never a substitute for studios...

Live albums need to prove to be the whole greater than the sum of the parts, raising the music to a whole new level, to justify a place in my collection, such as Camel: Live Record, GG: Playing The Fool or Tull: Bursting Out 
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Goblin, Goblin Rebirth and Claudio Simonetti's Goblin have released numerous live albums, like the excellent Austinato Blu-ray/CD (Goblin) and Alive (Goblin Rebirth).

Zombi have yet to release an official live document, though there are some live bonus tracks on the upcoming 20th anniversary 2CD remix-reissue of their debut, Cosmos.
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