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    Posted: August 10 2024 at 00:22
Peter Hammill's "The Love Songs" is sheer beauty. A top 3 album of all time.
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It didn't take long for me to find A LOT of albums which score less than 3 stars in PA that I feel should be much higher. Not surprisingly, most are post-1980 albums, so go ahead and dismiss me as someone who loves 1980s-1990s junk!

Albums I would rank 5 stars (followed by PA rating):

1. Genesis - Abacab (2.61)
2. Moody Blues - Strange Times (2.67)
3. Alan Parsons Project - Stereotomy (2.77)
4. Steve Hackett - Till We Have Faces (2.44)
5. Mike Oldfield - Heaven's Open (2.50)
6. Manfred Mann's Earth Band - Criminal Tango (2.52)
7. E.L.P. - Black Moon (2.77)
8. Asia - Alpha (2.87)
9. FM - City of Fear (2.97)

Albums I would rank 4 stars (followed by PA rating):

1. Genesis - Shapes (2.79)
2. Saga - Wildest Dreams (2.76)
3. Moody Blues - Keys of the Kingdom (2.80)
4. Alan Parsons Project - Vulture Culture (2.40)
5. Steve Hackett - Cured (2.42)
6. Mike Oldfield - Islands (2.63)
7. Anthony Phillips - Invisible Men (2.34)
8. Asia - Astra (2.59)

Albums I would rank 3 stars (followed by PA rating):

1. Supertramp - Free as a Bird (1.89 - this is just cruel!) 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2024 at 09:58
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ That's right.  And any registered and logged in member can rate a topic.  If that can be changed, it might well be a good thing.

Thanks, and I'd at least say, it's very questionnable.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mathman0806 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2024 at 09:11
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

In the 20 years I've been on here I bever realised that you could rate a topic LOL


Only 12 years, but actively much less, for me, and didn't know either.

Edited by mathman0806 - July 22 2024 at 09:12
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2024 at 08:35
^ That's right.  And any registered and logged in member can rate a topic.  If that can be changed, it might well be a good thing.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2024 at 04:23

^ I think, I've found the answers, like this topic has so far got 8 votes (ratings) with the average 2.5.








Edited by David_D - July 22 2024 at 04:58
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2024 at 02:58
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

While I would get rid of being able to give topic stars if I could (or if Max allowed me to) as it sometimes has been abused, or perhaps just plain used, as tackily self-congratulatory or in a vindictive manner by others, I'm also giving this topic five stars.

Can anybody rate a topic, or whose rating is shown in the overview of Forum Topics?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2024 at 02:53
Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

It depends on which community/echo chamber you focus on.

So I would always at least look at both RYM and PA ratings, unless otherwise is stated in the OP.

 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2024 at 23:25
In the 20 years I've been on here I bever realised that you could rate a topic LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2024 at 12:24
I like the added criteria and challenge, otherwise this would be just another rehash of a topic we have had many times before.  If not everyone follows the expectations, so be it, par for the course (especially as it is common for people not to read the first post before responding to the topic's title) but I like the concept.  While I would get rid of being able to give topic stars if I could (or if Max allowed me to) as it sometimes has been abused, or perhaps just plain used, as tackily self-congratulatory or in a vindictive manner by others, I'm also giving this topic five stars.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2024 at 10:21

I can also tell that the 3 stars criterium makes this thread more meaningful to me, even difficult to answer. Smile








Edited by David_D - July 21 2024 at 10:56
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

To keep this thread a little more focussed, I'd ask forum members to only include albums which score less than 3 stars.
It amuses me that many don't follow what is intended.
I'll admit I just ignored it. Less than three stars is to low for to me contribute in a meaningful way, so I focussed on the "a little underrated" part.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2024 at 09:07

Unfortunately, Jared, I'm also used to that some people don't respect my OPs.
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It depends on which community/echo chamber you focus on. There are some "prog" communities which despise The Flower Kings, and some that love them. xD On PA it's a 50/50 mix.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2024 at 08:03
Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Yes, the subject probably has been covered before David, as has just about every other subject...

So, given my criteria, which of the albums cited could you make out a case for as being underrated?

Sorry for not entirely having read your OP, Jared, and thus not answered according to your 3 stars criteria. Embarrassed

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Miles Davis - Water Babies (3.45) =4.5.

Gorgeous early fusion album that would have been historically important had it been released when it was recorded, and not shelved for almost ten years.

The Residents actually gets much more love from non-proggers:
 
Mark of the Mole (3.06) - a 5 star classic to me, and so is:
Intermission (3.36) =5 &
Commercial Album (3.66) =5
The Tunes of Two Cities (3.25) =4.5
Whatever Happened to Vileness Fats? (2.91) =4

-and the same goes for Can:

Saw Delight (3.24) =4
Landed 3.51) =4 &
Soon Over Babaluma (3.69) =4.5

My favorite The Incredible String Band-album:
The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter (3.31) =5
is also their most popular everywhere but here.

I rate all of Tortoise albums higher than PA does, but the low score of:

Standards (3.44) =4.5 -  is the most "extreme

==just my opinion
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Psychedelic Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2024 at 04:30
I believe this thread is underrated, so I've just given it five stars. Tongue
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Hawkwind's albums like PXR5, Church of Hawkwind, and Road to Utopia deserve more than two stars and something, so these albums aren't little but criminally underrated, while this ridiculously set topic certainly does not deserve more than one star, as it got from me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote Antoni Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2024 at 02:14
Originally posted by Mystique Mystique wrote:

Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Mystique Mystique wrote:

I understood the intention of this original poster; however, his request that the albums we mentioned have been rated with only two stars in PA is without a doubt in direct contradiction with the request expressed in the title (a title of a thread is like a preamble to the introductory post, you'll agree) of the topic for "little underrated" albums.

and there you have it, encapsulated in this sentence, the reason why I tend to initiate so few threads on this forum; by the time we hit page 2, someone will have dissected and analysed my intentions, finding their consistency wanting... takes all the fun out of the experience quite frankly... Ouch
You can't ask for "little underrated" albums in the thread title and then almost imperceptibly slip in the opening post that they be rated no more than two stars. A two-star album can only be vastly underrated, or at least in the vast majority of cases. For instance, many 70s bands changed their style in the early 80s, for example, from prog-rock to new wave, and then the reviewers "punished" them for this by giving them only two stars, not rating their new style as such.
I agree with you, Mystique, but hey, don't waste your time, 'cause some people purposely make threads with contradictory requests so that they can enjoy correcting thread participants.
I'm not saying that's the case with this thread; however, I've seen it many times on other forums, as I'm a newbie on the PA forum.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (4) Thanks(4)   Quote Mystique Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2024 at 01:36
Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Mystique Mystique wrote:

I understood the intention of this original poster; however, his request that the albums we mentioned have been rated with only two stars in PA is without a doubt in direct contradiction with the request expressed in the title (a title of a thread is like a preamble to the introductory post, you'll agree) of the topic for "little underrated" albums.

and there you have it, encapsulated in this sentence, the reason why I tend to initiate so few threads on this forum; by the time we hit page 2, someone will have dissected and analysed my intentions, finding their consistency wanting... takes all the fun out of the experience quite frankly... Ouch
You can't ask for "little underrated" albums in the thread title and then almost imperceptibly slip in the opening post that they be rated no more than two stars. A two-star album can only be vastly underrated, or at least in the vast majority of cases. For instance, many 70s bands changed their style in the early 80s, for example, from prog-rock to new wave, and then the reviewers "punished" them for this by giving them only two stars, not rating their new style as such.

Edited by Mystique - July 21 2024 at 01:58
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