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    Posted: January 11 2025 at 07:43
Preordered from Amazon, along with the new Jethro Tull album. Smile
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Like it or not, you do have a preference. There is a ranked list of your favorite releases, if not in terms of numeric rankings, then in terms of how often you have listened to them. 
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Hi,

Actually I do not have a preference, as I like to be surprised by different things all the time, and much prefer the "no ideas", "no nothing" kind of thing, as it colors my imagination a lot more.

I do not, listen to Amon Duul 2, Can, or any of the things you would think are my "favorites" though I am very partial to the "krautrock" thing that most members refuse to accept was an artistic thing, not a rock music thing, but I guess PA folks don't want to know theater, film, literature and other arts ... well, I know a couple do ... but most don't and shy away from comments.

I have a very good, I suppose meditative way to listen to things and I get it the first time, and do not need to have repeated listens so I can verify my ideas about lousy drumming and formatted guitar placement, and yet another meaningless growl. I do not, actually listen to AD2 3 times per week ... I don't need to. It is all in my heart safely ... and I can still fly with it.

There might be a thing or two I enjoy listening now and then, but all in all, after a really good listen, doing it again, is kinda ... boring ... when the same thing happens again ... so I tend to stay away.

A great example is that I enjoy all kinds of music, and lately have been taking on jazz, because it is far more segmented and varied, than the rock music we show around here, where most of the bands listed will never be appreciated or even commented on, beyond your little blurb. 

I've seen PT twice and SW twice ... I don't feel the need to see him again, unless he brings that wonderful woman with him, but she was probably way too emotional in one second for him to consider it good, and he won't do that again ... sort of like saying quietly, he won't put up with that kind of emotional thing ... which in that one song, was phenomenal. 

I like musicians that are not afraid ... and while he has a wide ear to hear many things, and probably thinks he has to be careful that he is on point with himself, and not accidentally copy something else he knows and/or has worked with. While I find his work interesting, and I will listen, I do not think of him as more special than someone else ... and if I had that comment for anyone at all, it would be Kate Bush ... and maybe Peter Hammill, though he is not as good or strong as he used to be in my book.

That kind of unique-ness is something I love a lot ... not something that breaks into a song, formatted like all others, which is the kind of stuff I stay away from ... I don't need to clutter my mind with 10 different versions of the same thing! And I don't care if they are on the top 5 or 10 by anyone!


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Pre-ordered from LasersEdge as I'm done ordering from across the pond. It does seem from what I have read this is more of a return to earlier SW albums and less of the TFB stuff.
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I preordered it. Let's hope for a great album!
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Pre-orders open:

https://store.stevenwilsonhq.com/product/155996

Tracklist:

1. Objects Outlive Us - 23:17
a) No Monkey's Paw
b) The Buddha Of The Modern Age
c) Objects: Meanwhile
d) The Cicerones
e) Ark
f) Cosmic Sons Of Toil
g) No Ghost On The Moor
h) Heat Death Of The Universe

2. The Overview - 18:27
a) Perspective
b) A Beautiful Infinity I
c) Borrowed Atoms
d) A Beautiful Infinity II
e) Infinity Measured In Moments
f) Permanence

A Prog album maybe? The consensus seems to think so.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

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I keep asking you about your favorite releases because I think the list would be interesting to see. But I understand and respect your reasons for not posting it. Smile

Hi,

I probably could list a few albums, but they might be a bit old, and not some of the newer stuff ... but you already know that Amon Duul 2, Can, Klaus Schulze, Tangerine Dream and Ange are my top choices ... and I am not sure that many new things have stood up to many of those albums ... but I'll agree that I need to check out a few more things, though these days, I'm checking out some jazz albums, and finding some neat things.

PT and SW are a good thing in my collection, but it's like Marillion and a lot of other stuff ... nifty, an nice to my ears, and I am not sure I need more from them ... I appreciate their artistry a lot.


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^ Like it or not, you do have a preference. There is a ranked list of your favorite releases, if not in terms of numeric rankings, then in terms of how often you have listened to them. And of course you might not remember it because you do not really care (which is absolutely fine). 

I keep asking you about your favorite releases because I think the list would be interesting to see. But I understand and respect your reasons for not posting it. Smile
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

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When it comes to SW in particular, having listened to hundreds of releases of the last couple of years, I think that he is pretty unique in what he does and how he goes about his solo releases. Even though they cover a broad range of styles, they are unmistakably SW. 
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Agreed. Again, there are many other things that I want in my collection, and I do have an almost complete PT and I think 3 SW albums, in case you want to know ... I wouldn't have bought any of it if I did not think those folks were not good .... but as for a placement in terms of preference, or numbers? That's not me.
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^ Sure, whatever. Do as you like, but as long as you cannot give recommendations (as in: concrete examples of better versions of whatever you're currently bashing), you're not being particularly helpful. When it comes to SW in particular, having listened to hundreds of releases of the last couple of years, I think that he is pretty unique in what he does and how he goes about his solo releases. Even though they cover a broad range of styles, they are unmistakably SW. I couldn't think of any other releases that I could consider as candidates of better versions of his albums. That's not the same as saying that there are no better releases - there are of course, but none of them sound like SW. 

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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ If you want to just spread negativity, by all means go on. I'm just saying that in order to make your criticism useful, you need to tell people what you do like - not only what you hate. Now you mentioned Tanz der Lemminge and (Isao) Tomita. That's a start, although I do not see the connection to Steven Wilson.
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It is not meant to sound negative, but I have a really hard time making "choices" and after 600 foreign film reviews, I can't even name 5 that I think are the best ... although I can easily tell you who the most impressive soundtrack folks are, or who the most far out cinematographers are, or who the craziest, or fun-est, directors are. 

But it stops there, and music falls into the same area for me.

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

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So: Which releases would you recommend specifically to fans of Steven Wilson? 

As I said before I do not look at albums as songs, and I don't look at musicians as a commodity for my ears. I consider SW a part of PT and in 30 plus years they have become a very nice group of musicians with a lot of neat things ... again, selecting one piece or another is hard for me since I don't do songs per se ... I would prefer to consider SW a composer and will state that his work is very nice indeed, and deserves the acclaim that he has gotten over the years. specially his technical expertise being use for many other works, which is nice for this generation, although I'm not one of the folks that thinks that a modern version redone by SW of Bruhaha by the Grand Minstrels is better or more interesting than the original ... I hear a recording of Igor Stravinsky conducting his own work, and then Leonard Bernstein's version, and then someone else's version, and the music is "STILL THERE" and alive, and though there might be moments that are different here and there, in the end, the medium works right ... the music is still alive.

I don't think anyone can make me do favorites, it just isn't what I am about! It's not a matter of being stubborn ... I simply have no interest or desire in that area whatsoever.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Can't say his last two albums did much for me, but I'm at least curious what he'll come up with. Geek


Yeah, same here. I don't expect anything like Raven or Hand Cannot Erase moving forward but I'd prefer that style. However, as you said, I'm curious about whatever he releases.
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I want him to engage a full band going forward. Him playing all the instruments and patching it all together does not always work well IMO.....Only Prince was able to do this effectively. 
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Can't say his last two albums did much for me, but I'm at least curious what he'll come up with. Geek
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Album has a release date - 14 March 2025

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I do think that Wilson has worked hard to achieve what he has done and also has obviously been entrusted to do the remixes of the seventies prog giants. Basically it makes no sense to disrespect the man at all. If you don't like him then move along. Expressing excessively negative opinion makes very little sense to me and we are seeing a lot of it on the forum at the moment. I'm not comfortable with it all. None of these modern day prog artists are making any significant money that I am aware of and I doubt that SW will make that much from this tour in truth. Buy a ticket , don't buy a ticket , don't give a f**k but can we stop behaving like spoilt entitled children .. please!
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^ If you want to just spread negativity, by all means go on. I'm just saying that in order to make your criticism useful, you need to tell people what you do like - not only what you hate. Now you mentioned Tanz der Lemminge and (Isao) Tomita. That's a start, although I do not see the connection to Steven Wilson.

So: Which releases would you recommend specifically to fans of Steven Wilson? 
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I asked you to list your favorite releases because I'm interested in them. Maybe you misread my post? Seems like you read "listen to " when I wrote "list".

If you think I need more humility - noted. LOL

Hi,

In general, I don't like to post "lists" and "favorites" ... since after 60 years, including classical music, there is so much stuff out there way better ... that choosing one over the other is ridiculous and the next day the order changes.

Music, for me, is not about lists .... or favorites. It never has been. Sure I liked Dance of the Lemmings ... but there were also other things that got a lot of listening to. And at the time, just to give you an idea, Tomita was probably my special listen ... loved the interpretations!
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I loved The Harmony Codex, it has this Up the Downstairs feeling that SW doesn't replicate since the Signify days

The description of the next album seems to go in that direction as well in a more ambitious way. Can't wait to listen to the thing.

Yeah, there 10-20 albums I'll be listening while it's not out, but, well, good for us, prog lately has been flourishing with a lot of great stuff. Airbag recently released a new album and it is great, same for a Norwegian group that has been posted here in the 2024 thread and looks awesome as well.
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Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Nice to know. Thanks for posting.

Sure, posting a video by another band was off-topic. But it's not like I'm disrupting any meaningful discussions here, since there is very little information about the upcoming SW release, and won't be for several months. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2024 at 07:53
I asked you to list your favorite releases because I'm interested in them. Maybe you misread my post? Seems like you read "listen to " when I wrote "list".

If you think I need more humility - noted. LOL
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