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Posted: February 16 2024 at 00:09 |
Associating music to images and situations is what I usually do when I listen to instrumental music. Atom Heart Mother has been my starting point, but is mainly Vangelis what I have in mind when I mess up with my instruments at home. I also think that listening to songs with lyrics compared to instrumentals is like the difference between a book and a movie. With a book you can build your mental images, with a movie that part of the "work" is already done. Of course both are enjoyable, it's just a different kind of enjoyment. I agree with you, but I think we can instinctively feel when a song is uninspired. Back to Vangelis, the fact that he used the images as source of inspiration means that almost the 100% of his work is inspired. Only when the story is rubbish the result is inspired but bad. I mean "Suffocation" from "See You Later".
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Jacob Schoolcraft
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I always dreamed of being a composer of soundtracks. Reading a script and practically hearing the music in my head for each different scene of the film. I believe I'm cut out for it..but getting involved on the right level is a whole different game. According to Vangelis it was a game which he had to play with the industry throughout his career. In some cases he was held back..(which I find difficult to believe) but he did state that overtime he was pressured by record companies to force music . In otherwords contrived. Forcing the music to be something that it probably wouldn't be if inspired naturally. To demand an idea sometimes means making up music that's not in your head. In another sense...you may have practiced 10 hours a day in your youth so that you could grow up and become a person who wants to make up music that is not inspired. Does that even make any sense? 😃 This is why I dislike the business mainly. It's been going on for decades. It actually shouldn't have any association with music on any level. It's insignificant to music. It is not helpful..but damaging. If you take the time to read reviews on Prog archives you begin to wonder if a 1 star rating is a result of a band's music being contrived....as opposed to it commonly being subjective to all and therefore a preference...a matter of taste. As a result..music that is forced and not inspired can be a turn off for critics. Billy Joel and Elton John wrote many commercial hit records that were inspired. However many people cannot tell the difference between what is inspired and contrived and that's why the industry gets away with it. Clearly it doesn't matter in the world because people like what they like regardless if somebody toys with the art for profit. Like being a film director who doesn't value art all that much and pressures a band like Goblin or an artist like Vangelis to be extra cheesy on this one. I certainly don't profess to be great. ..but I do believe that music inspires you and that should be valued more |
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^ Thanks. I'm nothing more than a hobbyist, I tried to be a singer-songwriter when I was very young, but once I've realized to be not talented enough, I've given up. Now I'm just having fun with a DAW.
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I like your ideas. I've been listening to your music. I haven't completed both albums yet...but I will this week. The chord progressions written for guitar are unique. I enjoy the pieces you wrote. The electronic music ...which you say is an attempt at sounding like Klaus Schulze sounds a bit more reminiscent of Pauline Anna Strom and Delia Derbyshire regarding the creepy vibe it creates.ive been enjoying your music. Music that I create and is creepy ...is influenced by a occultism environment that I was exposed to as a child. I can appreciate your ideas |
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Hi, I should open a different thread, but I'm using this one for those who have the RSS feed enabled. There's a new video from Claudio Milano and Nichelodeon that I'd like to share: |
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If you like music based on Dante's comedy there's the Kalevala compilation. A total of 12 CDs, 4 for each part, each song played by a different prog band or artist. You can find details on the various artists page on PA.
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Tangerine Dream's Dante's Inferno trilogy isn't about the synths though. It's all about the voices, which is why they're amongst my favourite TD albums. |
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And look at this... nice, I've started this thread to share my rubbish, and I'm ending sharing incredible stuff
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I'm a TD fan, even if I'm more in the Pink and Virgin periods. Claudio Milano is a totally different thing. He can do with his voice more than what Froese has done with his synths. Years ago, he introduced me to the music of some classical and conteporary composers. I'm grateful for his suggestions. Try this: |
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Tangerine Dream - Dante's Inferno
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About Cluadio Milano: one hour of Dante's Comedy
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I figured, but if I want those sounds I think it's my responsibility to play them without the automatic stuff. [/QUOTE]
Just a thing: MIDI and MIDI Sequencer are two different things. If I can emulate an instrument, or at least getting closer to its sound without buying an orchestra, I use MIDI. I still have to press white and black keys on a keyboard to get what I want. Recording a sequence of notes to have them played continuously in a loop is what a sequencer does. It may use on not use MIDI sounds. Long time ago in the recording studios they were using tapes: cut, joined in a loop and played.
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Nice, Claudio has written to me as well, very impressed by his music. I like your re-arrangement as well.
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I figured, but if I want those sounds I think it's my responsibility to play them without the automatic stuff.
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respect to the original I have played the sung parts including the bridge, all together with keyboard melody. Only the chorus, that's the melodic part of the song is close to the original. I have to say that NichelOdeon rely mainly on the absurd vocal extension of the singer and composer Claudio Milano. Replacing his voice with the guitar would have been impossible, that's why I have changed that part. The only effect used is the reverb on the main track. This is a link to a live performance of Claudio Milano. I hope you'll enjoy it. |
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^I've never heard the original, but the cover sounded lovely! Classical Guitar is a mountain that i'm afraid i'll never climb, so I'll stick to my electric and 12 string.
Great sound on the guitar, any effects used?
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The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.
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I'm back here with a single track. I've done a guitar cover of NichelOdeon's "Malamore E La Luna". I have sent it to Claudio Milano and unexpectedly I've got his thumb up. |
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^ so now I'm curious to listen to your album
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I like the classical guitar playing. I like the chord changes . Very nice! I used to be a classical student. I used to put all my energy into Classical guitar. I eventually gave that up and instead combined it with Prog Rock and jazzy ideas. I released Lighthouse Summer in 2004 which was my only acoustic album. The style you have is interesting and I like it. I like your ideas.
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Hi MortSahlFan, I have set track7 as the default on Bandcamp. It's a mistake. Now if you follow the link it will start playing from track 1. Track 7 is intended as a pause between dissonant electronic tracks. I have added the scratchy sounds. It's a very hardly distorted guitar tapping the stopped strings very lightly. I have used drums only on the last track. I'm not a drummer so I try to avoid usings things I'm not able to use properly as much as I can. I don't use sequencers. Perhaps if I had one I would use it, but all the things that seem sequenced are hand-made. What seems a flanger is a digital reverb combined with a delay. I'm not a musician and I'm experimenting the effects provided by Mixcraft trying to obtain the sounds that I have in mind, but I don't succeed very often. I have no idea of how to make my guitar sound like David Gilmour's. I suspect the problem is behind the instrument, not inside. If you have spare time to waste, try "Guitar". It's just a batch of 10 acoustic tracks made using only a classical guitar.
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