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Poll Question: Which do you enjoy the most on screen
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    Posted: October 09 2024 at 17:46
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Hi,

Just in the news ... Daniel Day Lewis is acting again, this time in a piece written by his own son. 

I bet that we will all line up to see it!!!!!Big smile
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Hi,

I have a hard time deciding which one is more interesting than the other. Both DDL and GO are (usually) very good and I'm not sure that we will find something not being right ... DDL has retired, and I think his taking the roles too seriously from an acting perspective was very tough, but that was not exactly new ... Klaus Kinski did the same thing and you can see examples in Werner Herzog's film about his friend. I imagine that he scared a few folks along the way.

The bad/sad part of it all, is that from a directing/filming perspective it is fascinating to watch and you don't want to stop it ... and likewise, many years earlier, Marlon Brando screamed so loudly that all of American Theater heard it, and Elia Kazan was not about to take it out at all ... it "made" Tennessee Williams come alive ... and it might not otherwise, if just taken from the script directly.

A similar thing is George and Martha in the famous Edward Albee film of the play ... you don't stop the thing ... you just let Richard and Elizabeth loose ... and they provide the fireworks ... I doubt you will see/hear that in the play if you read it for a class, for example. But it helped sell the author ... I doubt that Richard and Elizabeth would be able to do it one more time, the next night if the play was in London, or NY ... it works better as a film, because you don't have to stop it, and then grab the parts that matter the most ... script or not!

I don't have a favorite, as I stated, but there are some parts here and there that are simply outstanding ... close your eyes and listen to Sir John Gielgud do his lines in PROSPERO'S BOOKS ... they are so clear and neatly spoken that you start wondering how the next visual comes from the lines, and/or how it blends with the lines. Likewise Sir Ian McKellen doing Richard III in the film, an updated version ... with "a king for a horse ... and he is on a Jeep trying to run off. At the same time is a couple of his lines in the LOTR trilogy.

There are some far out things out there ... that's for sure!


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From that list I'd go for Daniel Day Lewis or Ralph Fiennes. Probably the former. From what I've seen I don't think Billy Bob Thornton or Gary Oldman are their equals. I'm more impressed with Jeremy Irons than both of them.
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DDL for me, although Anthony Hopkins is probably my all time favourite.

And from across the pond, it would have to be Tom Hanks….
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A great moment in the Ennio documentary that is neat ... during the shoot of one scene, Robert DeNiro demanded to have the music played so he would deliver his lines with the same idea and feel ... that, my friends is so rare, and so THEATER ... but here it was in a film ... awesome stuff!
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Originally posted by Fercandio46 Fercandio46 wrote:

Just remembering Glenda Jackson 
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Hi,

A thought ... remember that she went on to politics ... and I just kept thinking about something ... can you imagine her putting on a "performance" in front of all those rich farts that didn't win anything and bought their way in?
IO can see it now ... by the time she is done with her small speech, half the men in there have prunes and worn out crayons left!  And likely, their shorts wet! LOL
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Just remembering Glenda Jackson dancing and trying to hypnotize buffaloes in Women in Love by the great Ken Russell makes her worthy of being on the list. But also her participation in Sunday Bloody Sunday by John Schlesinger, where she taught how to say so many things with silences... made her eternal.
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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Four great actors indeed, but the one who has most impressed me - and really impressed me - because of his acting is Daniel Day-Lewis. Already in My Left Foot and The Unbearable Lightness of Being, but especially in There Will Be Blood and The Gangs of New York, a.o...


Throw in The Name Of The Father too, great actor!
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:


I like Tom's early-CoS stuff. I still think his best movie is Risky Business. It never gets old. A bona fide '80s classic.

I don't care for the M:I franchise and a lot of his other flicks (I couldn't finish Jerry Maguire), but one that turned out surprisingly good is Oblivion.



agree totally, love Risky Business (and that Tangerine Dream soundtrack!) ansd Oblivion is a great shout. Very underappreciated film also with a very good cast including Morgan Freeman. The MI franchise is so meh its ridiculous imo.
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No, i like threads that goes into various discussions. Also if it manage to have a civil tongue. Tom Cruise is an enigmatic ficure whom inspire me. The Last Samurai and Minority Report is in my to 20 films ever.

The four choises i have in the poll, is both based on my recollextion of poll results in previous PA polls and actors level of esteemed preformances, whom also has some relation of not being to much years appart from eachother.

As a fan of the Harry Potter film series, and me and my fathers relation to the jewish story of seccond WW, Schindlers List have a VERY spesial space to hungarian jews, the ability of Ralph Finnes in portraing Amon Göth, sends cold sensasion of ice down the spine, and hot hatefull venom. Also Finnes role in the English Patient. Ralph Finnes is one of my favourite actors, and from interviews and how he was among the young actors in Harry Potter, a real gentleman

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2023 at 15:29
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Icarium might be like, "The dark forces have tried to steer this down these hellish side-roads and tried to lead the flock astray and away from the straight and narrow road of the truth and the light of my threadly vision, but we shall prevail. You look thirsty, here, have some Kool-Aid." Sorry for such a terrible cult leader impersonation and an even worse impersonation of Icarium (who may be a part-time cult leader, who knows?)

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^ Very interesting. Frankly, the "exit" tapes from Applewhite and his students (the away team) I found so compelling, but I don't recommend to others. Buddhafield is fascinating.

Oh, and I hope no one complains about us derailing the thread. Icarium might be like, "The dark forces have tried to steer this down these hellish side-roads and tried to lead the flock astray and away from the straight and narrow road of the truth and the light of my threadly vision, but we shall prevail. You look thirsty, here, have some Kool-Aid." Sorry for such a terrible cult leader impersonation and an even worse impersonation of Icarium (who may be a part-time cult leader, who knows?)
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Heaven's Gate is the cult that has fascinated me the most and I actually feel a significant connection to the group.


I was surprised to learn not long ago that Heaven's Gate has continued to operate.


Kind of still operating. There are some people who were members (classmates) who go by TELAH as I recall and still keep the old site going and will even give you material if you request it, and one of the old classmates, Sawyer, is still a firm believer. He has been very much at odds with other former classmates of Ti and Do and resents their taking ownership of things Heaven's Gate. I underestrand people wanting to not be part of this world, to want to something special, but I find the belief-system anbd desires so unsettling, and deepy unethical to the vehicle you inhabit (the body that is taken over). That body snatcher mentality is so off-putting to me. These were misfits who found a sense of community and purpose and propped each-other up which led to the 30 "beaming up" as one member who ended her vehicle's life put it -- A Star Trek reference being very apt since Nichelle Nichols's (Uhura) brother was one of the class that took that fateful act.

I spent so much time looking into them, watching documentaries, hearing the tapes, watching the videos, correspondence, everything, that I do feel this deep connection with the class (and I find it all so sad).

On the 25th anniversary of the departure of the "Away Team", HG was profiled on TV down here, since San Diego is only a couple hours away. That's when I learned the Kings were maintaining the website and producing literature on request. I was like—Wow!

I found Buddhafield particularly fascinating because of its quasi-micro scale, unorthodox (by cult standards) structure, and the loyalty of its adherents even in the prolonged absence of their solitary leader. Nobody coerced anyone to stay—they simply did, and do.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Heaven's Gate is the cult that has fascinated me the most and I actually feel a significant connection to the group.


I was surprised to learn not long ago that Heaven's Gate has continued to operate.


Kind of still operating. There are some people who were members (classmates) who go by TELAH as I recall and still keep the old site going and will even give you material if you request it, and one of the old classmates, Sawyer, is still a firm believer. He has been very much at odds with other former classmates of Ti and Do and resents their taking ownership of things Heaven's Gate. I underestrand people wanting to not be part of this world, to want to something special, but I find the belief-system anbd desires so unsettling, and deepy unethical to the vehicle you inhabit (the body that is taken over). That body snatcher mentality is so off-putting to me. These were misfits who found a sense of community and purpose and propped each-other up which led to the 30 "beaming up" as one member who ended her vehicle's life put it -- A Star Trek reference being very apt since Nichelle Nichols's (Uhura) brother was one of the class that took that fateful act.

I spent so much time looking into them, watching documentaries, hearing the tapes, watching the videos, correspondence, everything, that I do feel this deep connection with the class (and I find it all so sad).
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Heaven's Gate is the cult that has fascinated me the most and I actually feel a significant connection to the group.

I was surprised to learn not long ago that Heaven's Gate has continued to operate.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Having really delved into Scientology (a topic I was fascinated by) it likely would have a much bigger impact on me than others.


It's a widespread virus that will somehow, some way, be eradicated someday. While it's machinations and tendrils run wide and deep, there are many smaller cults that are more fascinating and trippier to read up on (check out the documentary Holy Hell). The small insular cults are where things get really weird.


Thanks, I have watched Holy Hell. By the way, my favourite cult documentary on Netflix is Wild Wild Country. Heaven's Gate is the cult that has fascinated me the most and I actually feel a significant connection to the group.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Having really delved into Scientology (a topic I was fascinated by) it likely would have a much bigger impact on me than others.

It's a widespread virus that will somehow, some way, be eradicated someday. While it's machinations and tendrils run wide and deep, there are many smaller cults that are more fascinating and trippier to read up on (check out the documentary Holy Hell). The small insular cults are where things get really weird.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Of the American immigrant actors, Tommy Wiseau is horribly underappreciated.

LOL!

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Tom Cruise was mentioned but he creeps me out.


All the Scienos annoy me, but I tolerate a few of them (to an extent).

I like Tom's early-CoS stuff. I still think his best movie is Risky Business. It never gets old. A bona fide '80s classic.

I don't care for the M:I franchise and a lot of his other flicks (I couldn't finish Jerry Maguire), but one that turned out surprisingly good is Oblivion.

Like Chick Corea, Stanley Clarke, John Novello and Billy Sheehan are Scienos. But I still have their albums on the shelf. It's unfortunate people get swept up in that claptrap, but there's not much we can do about it. It IS an awful organization.
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^ That person in the video, the character that comes through, is who I see coming though commonly when I see Tom Cruise in things, and there was something unnerving to me about him even before I saw that or knew that he was a Scientologist. I can still enjoy John Travolta in things despite knowing he is Scientologist (I don"t think he's a great actor) and I have enjoyed Tom Cruise in some things and can respect his acting despite him creeping me out).

A kind of intensity. There are plenty of artists who have done terrible things whose art I enjoy. Bobby Beausoleil's Lucifer Rising is one of my favourite albums and he is a convicted murderer who was involved with the Manson family.

I can enjoy the art, or performance, of all of those. My wife compares me to Vincent Van Gogh, who I suppose had he been an actor might have been in Julis Caesar, "Friend, Romans, countrymen, lend my your ears." Now that is hella creepy! I can watch an actor who is often in horror movies and not be creeped by the actor when not performing. A writer might creep me out with their works but not creep me out as person or have neagtive personal aspects that I do not focus on when reading their writings. Stanley Kubrick kind of creeps me out, or I find intimidating and problematic as person, yet he is one of my favourite directors. Kevin SPacey had his big MeToo moment yet I still really love his acting. Therre are interesting moments where art seems to imitate life and life imitates art which would be another interesting aspect, but commonly I can separate the art from the artist as well as finding interest in the synergy.

Anyway, I found that Tom Cruise video quite fascinating to watch. It feels so Hollywood, and the Scientology jargon.... Having really delved into Scientology (a topic I was fascinated by) it likely would have a much bigger impact on me than others. I hope you can grok where I am coming from, to quote a word from one of my very favourite novels, Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land. But if you Kant, no problem.
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