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Posted: May 14 2023 at 02:41

David_D wrote:

Logan wrote:

... it's about taste and qualities -- ........

Very good remark - a subject meeting an object, and there's the question how big is the resonance.

That is maybe even not quite/so true, as it's more a matter of a subject meeting other, cybernetic subjects, so it's not

just about resonance, but a good match. How about that? Big smile

Actually, this was meant as dialogue with Lorenzo and maybe others on a kind of philosophical level.

Likewise, my talk about inter-subjective re-arranging.

Edited by David_D - May 14 2023 at 02:41

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Posted: May 13 2023 at 15:15

First group (top personal favourites)

King Crimson - Red

Pink Floyd - Animals

VDGG - Pawn Hearts

Camel - Moonmadness

Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon

Jethro Tull - TAAB

Frank Zappa - Hot Rats

Yes - Relayer

Camel - Mirage

Second group (excellent albums that deserve top rating even though they don't have the personal appeal to me to make it into the first group)

King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King

Jethro Tull - Aqualung

King Crimson - Larks Tongues In Aspic

Yes - CTTE

PFM - Per Un Amico

Third group (excellent albums)

Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso - Darwin!

Genesis - Selling England by the Pound

Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso - Io Sono Nato Libero

Fourth group (albums that I like a lot but not at a really high level)

Genesis - Nursery Cryme

Gentle Giant - In A Glass House

Pink Floyd - WYWH

Genesis - Foxtrot

Yes - Fragile

Fifth group (albums I'm not so keen on, they're fine though - nothing here is bad)

PFM - Storia Di Un Minuto

VDGG - Godbluff

Anglagard - Hybris

Sixth group (albums that I haven't listened to enough to rate)

Harmonium - Si on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison

Wobbler - From Silence to Somewhere

Rush - Hemispheres

Rush - Moving Pictures

Rush - A Farewell to Kings

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Posted: May 13 2023 at 11:42

I still don't understand what you are proposing.

The current rankings do take account of the number of ratings in the QWR number.

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Posted: May 13 2023 at 10:24

David_D wrote:

Let me tell you, guys, if to put more weight on the number of ratings, PA's top 30 would surely look differently from

the present one - that would definitely be an inter-subjective re-arranging.

I seem to have spent half my life doing inter-subjective re-arranging, and when I've run out of CD's & DVD's to rearrange, I'll start rearranging the flowers (in my hair). Tongue

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Posted: May 13 2023 at 10:17

David_D wrote:

Cristi wrote:

David_D wrote:

Let me tell you, guys, if to put more weight on the number of ratings, PA's top 30 would surely look differently from

the present one - that would definitely be an inter-subjective re-arranging.

both me and Ian already debunked this, you repeating it does not make it true.

The least amount (smallest number) of ratings & reviews for an album in the top 30 is 1100 or so. Need I say that's a lot?! Smile

I'm just telling about my opinion, and I have no intention about doing it.

well, there is weight on the number of ratings, so you saying there isn't is just wrong.

The Top Prog Albums of All Time includes the albums with high number of ratings (and reviews), also some of the most beloved, highest-rated and respected prog albums of all time.

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Posted: May 13 2023 at 10:10

Cristi wrote:

David_D wrote:

Let me tell you, guys, if to put more weight on the number of ratings, PA's top 30 would surely look differently from

the present one - that would definitely be an inter-subjective re-arranging.

both me and Ian already debunked this, you repeating it does not make it true.

The least amount (smallest number) of ratings & reviews for an album in the top 30 is 1100 or so. Need I say that's a lot?! Smile

I'm just telling about my opinion, and I have no intention about doing it.

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Posted: May 13 2023 at 10:04

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^ How about that? Ermm

It sounds as void and devoid of substance as the previous statement, just like most of the dialogues you have with yourself.

Anyway, don't ask me if I understand what bothers you here.

Edited by David_D - May 13 2023 at 11:31

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Posted: May 13 2023 at 09:59

David_D wrote:

Let me tell you, guys, if to put more weight on the number of ratings, PA's top 30 would surely look differently from

the present one - that would definitely be an inter-subjective re-arranging.

both me and Ian already debunked this, you repeating it does not make it true.

The least amount (smallest number) of ratings & reviews for an album in the top 30 is 1100 or so. Need I say that's a lot?! Smile

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Let me tell you, guys, if to put more weight on the number of ratings, PA's top 30 would surely look differently from

the present one - that would definitely be an inter-subjective re-arranging.

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Posted: May 13 2023 at 09:40

^ How about that? Ermm

It sounds as void and devoid of substance as the previous statement, just like most of the dialogues you have with yourself.

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Posted: May 13 2023 at 08:45

David_D wrote:

Logan wrote:

... it's about taste and qualities -- ........

Very good remark - a subject meeting an object, and there's the question how big is the resonance.

That is maybe even not quite/so true, as it's more a matter of a subject meeting other, cybernetic subjects, so it's not

just about resonance, but a good match. How about that? Big smile

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Posted: May 13 2023 at 08:41

1974: Camel - Mirage - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f-nQPoi3aY

1976: Camel - Moonmadness - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYIBtjTeIFM

1971: Genesis - Nursery Cryme - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt_iggp316Q

1972: Genesis - Foxtrot - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLQORWmqpuo

1973: Genesis - Selling England by the Pound - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKtDn5ntms

1969: King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw85aNJabkE

1973: Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ynZnEBtvw

1970: Van der Graaf Generator - H to He, Who Am the Only One - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQR6e_wpeiY

1972: YES - Close to the Edge - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNkWac-Nm0A

1992: Anglagard - Hybris - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mbRjdsiB68

1975: Harmonium - Le Cinque Saisons - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkNzlf2MczE

1971: Jethro Tull - Aqualung - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MslaxkQpTdI

1972: Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X15PsqN0DHc

1977: Pink Floyd - Animals - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4KQae9oMWs

1975: Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMy_mYkwl4M

2017: Wobbler - From Silence to Somewhere - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MSjUXDdmKM

1971: YES - Fragile - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hE7HZCVVRU

1974: YES - Relayer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quPoq2699Xo

1973: Gentle Giant - In a Glass House - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dNpM59fJOA

1974: King Crimson - Red - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6ogdCG3tAWjYWwQ7uWVrwg-9YawR_N-1

1973: Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa6D3Z2YkhY

1977: Rush - A Farewell to Kings - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3ca8ZXjlv8

1978: Rush - Hemispheres - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMoHes_BChQ

1981: Rush - Moving Pictures - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAIxUvd8gWo

1975: Van der Graaf Generator - Godbluff - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fF2H5kVUXc

1969: Frank Zappa - Hot Rats - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdU4FHH4FnE

1972: King Crimson - Larks' Tongues in Aspic - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nwJdj92uwTS0jn09Tykvmx9WUoNiW2HYo

1972: Van der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mINFDBMLirA

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Posted: May 13 2023 at 06:53

Five Star Masterpieces:

1. Relayer

2. Si on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison

3. Selling England by the Pound

4. Close to the Edge

5. In the Court of the Crimson King

6. Per un amico

7. Dark Side of the Moon

8. Animals

9. Fragile

10. Hot Rats

11. Io sono nato libero

12. Foxtrot

13. Pawn Hearts

14. Birds of Fire

15. Nursery Cryme

16. H to He, Who Am the Only One

4.5 Star Minor Masterpieces:

17. In A Glass House

18. Thick as a Brick

19. Moonmadness

20. Red

21. Darwin!

22. Hybris

23. Mirage

24. Wish You Were Here

25. Lark's Tongues in Aspic

Four Stars:

26. Godbluff

27. Aqualung

28. Moving Pictures

29. Hemispheres

30. Storia di un minuto

Not a Prog Album:

Kind of Blue

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Posted: May 13 2023 at 06:27

Saperlipopette! wrote:

David_D wrote:

jamesbaldwin wrote:

Average song quality: 7.29

Album rating: 7.5.

Three stars.

But, 7.5 : 2 = 3.75 , isn't that closest to 4 stars? - just to be fair.

7.5 equals 7 out of 10 = 3,5 out of 5

I Use this metro:

Five stars:

10/10

9.75/10

9.5/10

9.25/10

9/10

I consider the abums rated 9.75 and 10 absolute masterpieces of music history, not only of prog (If I could I'd give them 6 stars), instead, the albums rated 9 are small masterpieces.

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Four stars.

8.75 (4 and a half stars, almost masterpiece)

8.5

8.25

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Three stars

8 (3 and a half stars)

7.75

7.5

7.25

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Two stars

7 (2 and a half stars)

6.75

6.5

6.25

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One star

5.5 or less

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Posted: May 13 2023 at 03:22

David_D wrote:

jamesbaldwin wrote:

Average song quality: 7.29

Album rating: 7.5.

Three stars.

But, 7.5 : 2 = 3.75 , isn't that closest to 4 stars? - just to be fair.

7.5 equals 7 out of 10 = 3,5 out of 5

Edit: lol I don't know what I'm trying here, but it sure doesn't make much sense to me now

Edited by Saperlipopette! - May 13 2023 at 12:12

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Posted: May 13 2023 at 02:59

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Average song quality: 7.29

Album rating: 7.5.

Three stars.

But, 7.5 : 2 = 3.75 , isn't that closest to 4 stars? - just to be fair.

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Posted: May 13 2023 at 02:49

Logan wrote:

... it's about taste and qualities -- ........

Very good remark - a subject meeting an object, and there's the question how big is the resonance.

Edited by David_D - May 13 2023 at 03:34

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Posted: May 13 2023 at 02:07

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David_D wrote:

Then I'm curious, Paul, how many of the top 30 albums are you fond of?

All of them, apart from Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf Generator, Frank Zappa and the four unknown Italian albums.

Yes, what's up with that? You've listened to like 170 Tangerine Dream-albums and at least half of them of surely had to be a waste of precious listening time? Your life would be so much richer if you gave a handful of the italianprog classics a chance.

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Posted: May 13 2023 at 01:13

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27) Genesis: Nursery Crime

My first reaction: Nursery Cryme - quite important Smile

, then, I have to think about it.

I've tried to explain my opinion in my review:

..............

Then, we're really talking about Nursery Crime Big smile

- but I appreciate that you're telling your honest opinion.

Edited by David_D - May 13 2023 at 02:52

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