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    Posted: December 12 2022 at 14:49
I suppose we got a top four, a top eight - and the rest:

1. The Grand Wazoo (55 points)
2. Hot Rats (53 points)
2. Over-Nite Sensation (53 points)
4. One Size Fits All (51 points)
5. Uncle Meat (46 points)
6. We're Only in It for the Money (36 points)
7. Waka / Jawaka (34 points)
7. Apostrophe’ (34 points)

Ten or more:

Burnt Weeny Sandwich (17 points)
Roxy & Elsewhere (16 points)
Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch (16 points)
Civilization Phaze III (14 points)
Weasels Ripped My Flesh (13 points)
Broadway The Hard Way (13 point)

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Just finished reading his book, such a crazy dude. 

1. The Grand Wazoo
2. We're Only In It for the Money
3. Zappa In New York
4. One Size Fits All
5. Chunga's Revenge
6. Apostrophe
7. Emmm... London Symphony Orchestra Vol. 1? (Haven't heard all of it but I love his orchestral/Modern side)
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That's a challenging mission!! Best order I can come to based on today's thoughts (they may change tomorrow)

1/ Overnite Sensation
2/ Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch
3/ Broadway The Hard Way
4/ Them Or Us
5/ One Size Fits All
6/ Apostrophe'
7/ Thing Fish 
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I missed Dark Elf's post the last time, but his points are now included (and Machinmessiah, obviously):

1. Hot Rats (53 points)
2. Uncle Meat (46 points)
3. The Grand Wazoo (43 points)
4. One Size Fits All (41 points)
4. Over-Nite Sensation (41 points)
6. Waka / Jawaka (34 points)
7. We're Only in It for the Money (28 points)
7. Apostrophe’ (28 points)

-the four following:

Burnt Weeny Sandwich (17 points)
Roxy & Elsewhere (16 points)
Civilization Phaze III (14 points)
Weasels Ripped My Flesh (13 points)



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1. Apostrophe
2. One Size Fits All
3. Waka / Jawaka
4. Over-Nite Sensation
5. Roxy & Elsewhere
6. Absolutely Free
7. Broadway The Hard Way
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Nice!

1. The Grand Wazoo (43 points)
1. Uncle Meat (43 points)
3. Hot Rats (41 points)
4. One Size Fits All (33 points)
5. Over-Nite Sensation (29 points)
6. Waka / Jawaka (28 points)
6. We're Only in It for the Money (28 points)

Here's the ones with 10 or more points

Burnt Weeny Sandwich (17 points)
Civilization Phaze III (14 points)
Weasels Ripped My Flesh (13 points)
Roxy & Elsewhere (13 points)
Lumpy Gravy (12 points)
Apostrophe' (10 points)

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

Sad ... no one else cares about 200 Motels, and at the time it was done it was one of the most progressive and original things ever done ... one of the first times video was done with film, for example. It also had more satire and stuff that is way out there, not to mention the musical variety is insane ... but we're all rockers ... do we care about the rest of the music?
Hey Mr. Rocker. I find 200 Motels mostly annoying and impossible to sit through as a whole. The "musically interesting" ideas presented there can be experienced in other, more interesting contexts elsewhere - without Flo & Eddie (and without rock). I've saw the movie a bunch of times during my student years though. Admittedly without paying close attention. It was just on all the time in our living room. It did create some good vibes.
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1. Uncle Meat
2. Roxy & Elsewhere
3. Weasels Ripped My Flesh
4. We’re Only In It For The Money
5. Make A Jazz Noise Here
6. Lumpy Gravy
7. Burnt Weeny Sandwich
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

I can't say I have a favorite, except that I have over 25 cd's of his music, which ought to tell you how much I think of all the stuff. 

Of all the things, even though things like "Overnight Sensation" and "Apostrophe", or "Hot Rats" and even "The Grand Wazoo" are super nice, to me, the most impressive and valuable of all of these is "200 MOTELS" because its satiric edge and totality of work is insane and not something that anyone else has even considered doing since then. Here we are, 50 plus years, and that thing is still crazy, without all the beers and dope and BS about it being a hit.

Sadly, not a whole lot of his classically minded stuff done in Europe is well known, since we are all rock fans, and we hate anything else.

Lastly, the UCLA performance of 200 MOTELS just prior to Gayle's passing, is phenomenal, and so few folks ever bothered listening to it. The choir piece at the end alone is worth the price of admission, and for once you see a choir stretch its talents and vocals ... something you will never see, even in Salt Lake City!

Here's an idea: pick seven albums as the OP requested, and then STFU. No one cares about your pompous editorializing and tw*tish insults of other posters. So stop defecating on otherwise enjoyable threads. 

Oh, and the classical recordings released later in Zappa's career are alright as those things go, but they are certainly not some of his best albums. Just because you can hire a symphony doesn't make it particularly great. 

Here's my choices, in no particular order:

Hot Rats
Over-Nite Sensation
Apostrophe
Freak Out!
Uncle Meat
Weasels Ripped My Flesh
You Can't Do That on Stage Anymore, Vols. 1 and 2




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1. We're Only In It For The Money.
2. Hot Rats.
3. Uncle Meat.
4. Weasels Ripped My Flesh.
5. The Grand Wazoo.
6. Lumpy Gravy.
7. Over-Nite Sensation.
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Hi,

Sad ... no one else cares about 200 Motels, and at the time it was done it was one of the most progressive and original things ever done ... one of the first times video was done with film, for example. It also had more satire and stuff that is way out there, not to mention the musical variety is insane ... but we're all rockers ... do we care about the rest of the music?
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1. We're Only In It For The Money
2. Lumpy Gravy
3. Uncle Meat
4. Burnt Weeny Sandwich
5. Weasels Ripped My Flesh
6. Civilization Phaze III
7. Dance Me This



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Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

Ummmm,,, two #1,  two #7 & two # 11 ??  I guess that's one way to sneak a few extras in.LOL
I suppose I can stop posting the albums "bubbling under" Top 7, but of course there two at 7 if they have the same amount of points. If it was two at 6 there wouldn't be any a 7

 I'm sorry, I misunderstood the post . I thought these were your selections. I did realize you were tallying the points, My bad. 
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OverniteThe Grand Wazoo has taken a quite comfortable lead, while Uncle Meat, Civilization Phaze III and Burnt Weeny Sandwich has entered the Top 7:

1. The Grand Wazoo (44 points)
2. One Size Fits All (33 points)
2. Hot Rats (33 points)
4. Over-Nite Sensation (28 points)
4. Waka / Jawaka (28 points)
6. Uncle Meat (19 points)
7. Civilization Phaze III (12 points)
7. Burnt Weeny Sandwich (12 points)

……… the three closest are:

Apostrophe' (10 points)
Joe's Garage (Act 1) (8 points)
Weasels Ripped My Flesh (8 points)
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Uncle Meat (1969)
Burnt Weeny Sandwich (1970)
The Grand Wazoo (1972)
Over-Nite Sensation (1973)
Hot Rats (1969)
Waka/Jawaka (1972)
Shut Up 'N Play Yer Guitar (1981)
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Good thread!
1 The Grand Wazoo
2 Hot Rats
3 Uncle Meat
4 Jazz From Hell
5 One Size Fits All
6 Waka / Jawaka
7 Roxy & Elsewhere
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1. Waka / Jawaka (12 points)
2. Hot Rats (8 points)
3. The Grand Wazoo (6 points)
4. Weasels Ripped My Flesh (4 points)
5. Sleep Dirt (3 points)
6. One Size Fits All ( (2 points)
7. Burnt Weeny Sandwich (1 point)
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A bit arbitrary, except for the first one, but otherwise I'd have 12 candidates for a top 7 in no particular order (not considering live albums...):

1. Civilization Phaze III
2. One Size Fits All
3. Over-Nite Sensation
4. Hot Rats
5. The Grand Wazoo
6. Apostrophe
7. Joe's Garage

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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

Ummmm,,, two #1,  two #7 & two # 11 ??  I guess that's one way to sneak a few extras in.LOL
I suppose I can stop posting the albums "bubbling under" Top 7, but of course there two at 7 if they have the same amount of points. If it was two at 6 there wouldn't be any a 7

 I'm sorry, I misunderstood the post . I thought these were your selections. I did realize you were tallying the points, My bad. 
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Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

Ummmm,,, two #1,  two #7 & two # 11 ??  I guess that's one way to sneak a few extras in.LOL
I suppose I can stop posting the albums "bubbling under" Top 7, but of course there two at 7 if they have the same amount of points. If it was two at 6 there wouldn't be any a 7
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

These aren't all Zappa/Mothers releases, and some are live. Hope they meet criteria.

Yes, all inclusive.

1. One Size Fits All (20 points)
2. Over-Nite Sensation (18 points)
3. The Grand Wazoo (17 points)
4. Waka / Jawaka (12 points)
5. Hot Rats (10 points)
6. Apostrophe' (8 points)
7. Joe's Garage (Act 1) (7 points)
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8. We're Only in It for the Money (4 points)
8. Roxy & Elsewhere (4 points)
10. Burnt Weeny Sandwich (3 points)
11. Absolutely Free ( (2 points)
12. Uncle Meat (1 point)
12. Sheik Yerbouti  (1 point)
12. The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life  (1 point)
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