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    Posted: October 12 2005 at 10:45
There is a studio album named "From Stickslands With Love" by various drummers, doing nothing but solos. A friend of us (who now lives in Japan) has it. I don't recall all of the drummers on it; the only one I remember is Mani Neumeier of Guru Guru and the Irene Schweizer Trio (I think the album was recorded before Guru Guru were formed, and he still played in that jazz trio at that time).


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Chester Thompson on You Can't Do That on Stage Anymore Volume 2, Frank Zappa's Helsinki Concert/s. 

It will give you a new appreciation for the drums.  LISTEN!!!

 
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Originally posted by progron progron wrote:

I HAVE TO ASK THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL:

ARE LONG DRUM SOLOS IN ALBUMS AND CONCERTS REALLY NECESSARY? ISNT IT JUST BORING AND INTERESTS DRUMMERS ONLY?

 

no no not really...im not a drummer and i find them totally kick ass.  i love hearing Neil Pearts 8 min drum solos
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well, i'm not a drummer, but I saw an extraordinary drum solo of Morgan
Agren with Mats/Morgan Band and i'm sure the gig will have been
different without this supercharge of energy!!

so the question is not if solos of any instruments are necessary or not
the important thing is how do we feel music...

I guess...
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Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Tony Williams Live In Japan, has a drum battle between Tony Williams and Billy Cobham.


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For me in the 1980s, when 90% of the gigs I went to were heavy metal, the drum solo was always a good time to go to the loo (problem being you ended up with 50% of Hammersmith Odeon empty & 1500 people in the queue for the khazi!).

Drum solos have to go somewhere, they have to grab the 90% of the audience who don't consider drums & percussion to be musical instruments in their own right.

The late (and much lamented) Pierre Moerlin was a master of this, as is (to my mind) Neil Peart - how many drum solos have garnered a Grammy nomination, as did Peart's 'O Baterista'? This solo is an awesome display, combining power, restraint, humour (believe it or not), technical prowess, and above all, staying interesting to the end - a quality I'm afraid that John Bonham never had for me in his solos.

 

May seem an odd suggestion, but go to Brian Auger's website (he's on the album) for more details
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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Tony Williams Live In Japan, has a drum battle between Tony Williams and Billy Cobham.


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For me in the 1980s, when 90% of the gigs I went to were heavy metal, the drum solo was always a good time to go to the loo (problem being you ended up with 50% of Hammersmith Odeon empty & 1500 people in the queue for the khazi!).

Drum solos have to go somewhere, they have to grab the 90% of the audience who don't consider drums & percussion to be musical instruments in their own right.

The late (and much lamented) Pierre Moerlin was a master of this, as is (to my mind) Neil Peart - how many drum solos have garnered a Grammy nomination, as did Peart's 'O Baterista'? This solo is an awesome display, combining power, restraint, humour (believe it or not), technical prowess, and above all, staying interesting to the end - a quality I'm afraid that John Bonham never had for me in his solos.

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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Last night at the Spock's Beard concert they played a nice drum solo ... two drummers, playing simultaneously and in a call-response scheme.

 

Old (hi-)hat - Allman brothers did in the early 70's, Collins and Thompson did it live with Genesis,  Don Ellis did it with three drummers...................... The masters Gene Krupa and Buddy Rich did it on record many times. Tony Williams Live In Japan, has a drum battle between Tony Williams and Billy Cobham. On Billy Cobham's his album The Traveler, there a drum duo with Cobham and Gary Husband.
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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by Doesburger Doesburger wrote:

Drum soli CAN be exciting in a live environment. But to listen to on cd's... hmmmm The only interesting one I can listen to is Christian Vander. Imagine this : 2 cd's worth of drum soli!!!

You are probably refering to Vander's 'Korusz', long drum solos (the shorter is 11 mn) recorded during various concerts.


Jean and I went to a Magma concert once, and Vander played a 45 minute solo. No joking, I accidentially looked at the wall clock when he started, and when he finally finished I was curious and looked again. And believe me, it was not boring for a second! Vander really knows how to do it.

Vander is so
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I'm a keyboardist who likes a good drum solo ... but agree that it can go on for too long (just as with any other instrument) ... as such I actually prefer the studio versions of Toad and Moby Dick to their live counterparts ...

My favourite drum solo of all is still Ron Bushy's in Iron Butterfly's In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida

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Originally posted by Protagonist Protagonist wrote:

I think that everything depends of the drummer. Sometmes there's very interesting drum soloswhich are not boring. In my opinion the drum solos are important, but also they're more attactive in live shows, not in studio records.

 Agreed.  And I play the drums as well.  Only real Fdrum solos I listen to on studio stuff is from Jazz drummers.
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Originally posted by Ty1020 Ty1020 wrote:

No... that's like saying guitar solos are only interesting to guitarists, which, of course, is incorrect. I don't play drums but I love a good drum solo, and I know a lot of other people feel the same way.

Agree!! But I play drums

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I love a good drum solo. In studio albums, it is much easier to have on that is out of place and perhaps bad, but i don't care. Drum solos =
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Last night at the Spock's Beard concert they played a nice drum solo ... two drummers, playing simultaneously and in a call-response scheme.


I love it when drummers do that...
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http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/buddyrichsticktrick.html

I keep posting this but it is amazing!Embarrassed
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Originally posted by Biggles Biggles wrote:

[QUOTE=chopper]

[I put it to the public that if a drummer's only opportunity to express himself creatively is during a solo, then he is either a bad drummer (in which case he shouldn't be soloing to begin with) or he is in a bad band. The great drummers are ALWAYS doing amazing stuff, whether you're paying attention to them or not (i.e. Bill Bruford, Billy Cobham).

I think that's well put. Great drummers are always amazing to listen to -  they don't need to be doing solos to show it. And your examples of Bruford and Cobham are two of the very best...
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drum solos can be good

like the one in thick as a brick
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Last night at the Spock's Beard concert they played a nice drum solo ... two drummers, playing simultaneously and in a call-response scheme.
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Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by Doesburger Doesburger wrote:

Drum soli CAN be exciting in a live environment. But to listen to on cd's... hmmmm The only interesting one I can listen to is Christian Vander. Imagine this : 2 cd's worth of drum soli!!!

You are probably refering to Vander's 'Korusz', long drum solos (the shorter is 11 mn) recorded during various concerts.


Jean and I went to a Magma concert once, and Vander played a 45 minute solo. No joking, I accidentially looked at the wall clock when he started, and when he finally finished I was curious and looked again. And believe me, it was not boring for a second! Vander really knows how to do it.


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I think that everything depends of the drummer. Sometmes there's very interesting drum soloswhich are not boring. In my opinion the drum solos are important, but also they're more attactive in live shows, not in studio records.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:


Agreed! I watched "The Song Remains the Same" and it has Bonzo's live "Moby Dick" solo playing while you're watching him go drag racing or some-such....I felt myself start to nod off...

 

The funniest thing on this video is when he starts he's drum solo , the band just get out to drink a bit and leave him alone !

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