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    Posted: March 31 2021 at 09:55
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

As Steve said ,  something on an old wax cylinder.....LOL
But seriously I can't recall that far back....when I started buying lp's gas was 17cents a gallon and cigarettes were about 25cents.
None of those categories existed and we didn't call anything prog then.....

The first 'true prog' was Court by Crimson...bought that in April of 1970 but I had  The Beatles, Traffic, Procol Harum, Moody Blues , Floyd,  and a few other things including  Zep and Sabbath. And the guys in the dorm played some interesting things like Touch and SRC so there were some cool things around.

Pretty much what Doc says goes for me, although I was only 6 in 1970........but we used to walk to Thrifty Drug Store and buy a single scoop cone for a nickel....if you bought a dbl your dad had a good job, and a triple meant you family was rich!!!!

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As Steve said ,  something on an old wax cylinder.....LOL
But seriously I can't recall that far back....when I started buying lp's gas was 17cents a gallon and cigarettes were about 25cents.
None of those categories existed and we didn't call anything prog then.....

The first 'true prog' was Court by Crimson...bought that in April of 1970 but I had  The Beatles, Traffic, Procol Harum, Moody Blues , Floyd,  and a few other things including  Zep and Sabbath. And the guys in the dorm played some interesting things like Touch and SRC so there were some cool things around.


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Originally posted by Bowchicawowowtapeco Bowchicawowowtapeco wrote:

Doing this exercise got me thinking... Shouldn't bands be listed under multiple genres, and instead the albums themselves be listed under the individual genres?  Saying that King Crimson is "eclectic prog" seems like a bit of a cop-out, and Yes' 90125 is symphonic is just wrong.
 
I had hoped that people would stay with the PA classification of albums, but I noticed that some albums are classified in an alternative way.
 
 
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I didn't think of it when I created this thread, but adding the year you got each album is quite helpful. However, even without the year, I think one can reasonably guess when you got into prog just by the albums themselves for particular sub-genre (even with earlier albums present in the list).
 
 
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CANTERBURY SCENE: Soft Machine - Third (2013)
CROSSOVER PROG: Nine Inch Nails - The Downward Spiral (2012)
ECLECTIC PROG: King Crimson - In The Court Of The Crimson King (2013)
HEAVY PROG: Rush - 2112 (2012)
JAZZ ROCK / FUSION: Al Di Meola - Casino (2014)
KRAUTROCK: Can - Tago Mago (2016)
POST-ROCK / MATH ROCK: Tera Melos - Patagonian Rats (2018)
PROG FOLK: Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick (2013)
PROGRESSIVE ELECTRONIC: Brian Eno - Another Green World (2015)
PSYCHEDELIC / SPACE ROCK: Pink Floyd - The Wall (2012)
RIO / AVANT-PROG: The Mothers Of Invention - Uncle Meat (2013)
ROCK PROGRESSIVO ITALIANO: Area - Caution Radiation Area (2016)
SYMPHONIC PROG: Camel - The Snow Goose (2012)
ZEUHL: Ruins - 1986-1992 (2017)
PROG-RELATED: Vangelis - Oceanic (2000)
PROTO-PROG: The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Axis: Bold As Love (2012)
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Now that I come to think about it, I think my first Frank Zappa album might have been the outtakes compilation The Lost Episodes released in 1996 (and not Freak Out!). And for the Beatles: the Hey Jude compilation rather than Rubber Soul.
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I'm surprised people can remember that well!

The first three albums I owned were
ELP - Pictures At At Exhibition (symphonic)
Paul McCartney and Wings - Band On The Run (not prog!?)
The Who - By Numbers (proto?)

After that not totally sure
Neo Prog -Either IQ The Wake or Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
Prog folk - could easily have been a Steeleye Span compilation
RPI - possibly some Le Orme
Prog metal - probably Dream Theater - Images and Words
Eclectic - Peter Gabriel -Car (or has he been moved to another sub genre in which case King Crimson's debut)
Prog electronic - Has to be Tangerine Dream I guess but would be a compilation - Dream Sequence (Virgin 73-83).  
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Originally posted by Bowchicawowowtapeco Bowchicawowowtapeco wrote:

Doing this exercise got me thinking... Shouldn't bands be listed under multiple genres, and instead the albums themselves be listed under the individual genres?  Saying that King Crimson is "eclectic prog" seems like a bit of a cop-out, and Yes' 90125 is symphonic is just wrong.
This is an oft-repeated question/desire. It will likely never happen, and there are more than a few people here who don’t think it would be a good idea anyway.

It definitely makes senses to have albums defined by genre, rather than artists - as it is not at all uncommon for artists to produce albums across more than one genre during their career. Most websites do this, and some even allow multiple genre tagging per album. But even if the software allowed this change at PA (and a few people have suggested it won’t), the amount of time and effort to make the changes retrospectively to everything already in PA would be massive.

Personally, I pay little attention to genres in general, and even less to the genres in PA. In fact the only time I worry about whether a band fits the PA genres, is when I am evaluating it for inclusion. I kind of have to care somewhat, there. But the idea of ascribing black and white genres and attempting to pigeonhole artists and bands into them just seems almost antithetical to prog anyway, to me. I take any genre tag on this site with a pinch of salt. And sometimes the whole mine....
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Doing this exercise got me thinking... Shouldn't bands be listed under multiple genres, and instead the albums themselves be listed under the individual genres?  Saying that King Crimson is "eclectic prog" seems like a bit of a cop-out, and Yes' 90125 is symphonic is just wrong.
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The first prog album I paid for with my hard earnt cash was crime of the century which I bought in 76. The first prog album I owned was CTTE in 74 which a young lady i briefly knew gave me.

The rest of my collection has been lovingly put together over many years on a myriad of formats ( except 8 track and downloads). I expect it to continue to grow as their is so much great music to discover.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Some kind of wax cylinder put out by Thomas Edison. Can't remember the artist though.


I wonder if you could help me please. I want to buy a gramophone...



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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

(btw - you didn't specify first album heard or first one bought)
 
Before starting this thread, I did think about how "first album" is to be defined, but decided to leave it open.
 
 
 
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CANTERBURY SCENE: Steve Hillage - Fish Rising
CROSSOVER PROG: ELO - Secret Messages
ECLECTIC PROG: King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
EXPERIMENTAL/POST METAL: Devin Townsend - Ziltoid the Omniscient
HEAVY PROG: Rush - Moving Pictures (this is a guess; it could also have been Grace Under Pressure)
INDO-PROG/RAGA ROCK: still don't have anything from this genre
JAZZ ROCK/FUSION: Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire (this is a guess)
KOSMISCHE MUSIK: Amon Düül II - Phallus Dei
NEO-PROG - Marillion - Script for a Jester's Tear
POST ROCK/MATH ROCK: Goodspeed You! Black Emperor - F# A# ∞
PROG FOLK: Jethro Tull - Crest of a Knave
PROG RELATED: Asia - Asia (this is a guess; could have also been Styx - Kilroy Was Here or Vangelis - Albedo 0.39)
PROGRESSIVE ELECTRONIC: Tangerine Dream - Phaedra
PROGRESSIVE METAL: Altura - Mercy
PROTO-PROG: Deep Purple - Machine Head
PSYCHEDELIC/SPACE ROCK: Pink Floyd - DSOTM
RIO/AVANT-PROG: Frank Zappa - You Can't Do That on Stage Anymore, Vol. 1
ROCK PROGRESSIVO ITALIANO: PFM - L'isola di niente (this is a guess)
SYMPHONIC PROG: Yes - Classic Yes and 90125; Genesis - Genesis (bought these three at the same time from a record club in 1984?)
TECH/EXTREME PROG METAL: Opeth - Sorceress
ZEUHL: Runaway Totem - Andromeda
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

OK, I'll bite but I wish you guys stopped thinking along some of our bogus subgenre
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NEO-PROG: Genesis - A Trick of the Tail

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Hey now! Here is PA's subgenre definition of neo-prog. "Others contend it began with Twelfth Night at the dawn of the 80s, while some even suggest the popular symphonic prog band Genesis gave rise to Neo-Prog with their 1976 album, A Trick of the Tail."


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Ok, I don't normally think in terms of sub genres, but I'll have a go..

Symphonic - A Trick of the Tail - Genesis
Neo prog - Script for a jesters Tear - Marillion
Prog metal - Images & Words - Dream Theater
Heavy Prog - Exit Stage..Left - Rush
RIO/Avant - Hot Rats - Zappa
Canterbury - Hatfield & the North - Rotters Club
Prog related - Rising - Rainbow
Psychedelic - The Wall - Pink Floyd
Prog Folk - Broadsword & The Beast - Jethro Tull
Prog electronic - Rubycon - Tangerine Dream
Proto Prog - Sgt Pepper - The Beatles
Jazz rock/Fusion - Moroccan Roll - Brand X
Experimental post metal - Leaving your Body Map - Maudlin of the well
Tech/Extreme Prog Metal - Ghost Reveries - Opeth
Eclectic prog - Red - King Crimson
Crossover prog - PG3 - Peter Gabriel
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Damn, really can't remember. If I knew there was going to be a quiz I would have paid more attention.

LOL Me too.

First symphonic prog album - Genesis Live. I know this because it was the second album I ever bought and the first one was Alice Cooper's Billion Dollar Babies.

The rest? No idea.

(btw - you didn't specify first album heard or first one bought)


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CANTERBURY SCENE: Caravan - Caravan
CROSSOVER PROG: Radiohead - The Bends
ECLECTIC PROG: King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
HEAVY PROG: Rush - 2112
INDO-PROG/RAGA ROCK: Third Ear Band - Alchemy
JAZZ ROCK/FUSION: Miles Davis - A Kind Of Blue
KRAUTROCK: Can - Tago Mago
NEO-PROG: Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
POST ROCK/MATH ROCK: Talk Talk - Spirit Of Eden
PROG FOLK: Jethro Tull - Aqualung
PROGRESSIVE ELECTRONIC: Tangerine Dream - Phaedra
PSYCHEDELIC/SPACE ROCK: Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
RIO/AVANT-PROG: Frank Zappa - Hot Rats
ROCK PROGRESSIVO ITALIANO: PFM - Per un Amico
SYMPHONIC PROG: Genesis  - Wind & Wuthering
ZEUHL: Eros - Dun
PROG RELATED: Black Sabbath - Paranoid
PROTO-PROG: The Beatles - Abbey Road 
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Canterbury Scene - Khan - Space Shanty
Crossover Prog - Supertramp - Even the Quietest Moments
Eclectic Prog - King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
Experimental/Post Metal - Mr. Bungle - Mr. Bungle
Heavy Prog - Yes - Relayer
Indoprog/ragarock - Secret Chiefs 3 - Second Grand Constitution and Bylaws
Jazzrock/Fusion - Frank Zappa - Hot Rats
Krautrock - Boredoms - Vision Creation Newsun
Neo-Prog - Yes - 90125
Post/Math-rock - Idiot Flesh - The Nothing Show
Prog Folk - Jethro Tull - Aqualung
Progressive Electronic - Kraftwerk - Kraftwerk
Progressive Metal - Meshuggah - I
Psychedelic/Space Rock - The Moody Blues - On the Threshold of a Dream
RIO/Avant-Prog - Frank Zappa - Lumpy Gravy
Rock Progressivo Italiano - Goblin - Profondo Rosso
Symphonic Prog - Yes - Close to the Edge + The Yes Album (bought them same day)
Tech/Extreme Prog Metal - The Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity
Zeuhl - Magma - Kobaia
Prog Related - Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica
Proto-Prog - The Doors - A hits compliation of some kind.

(7 of the above albums I don't actually have, but they are burned into the my mind as if they were 'my first'.  For example when a friend showed me Hot Rats, that was the first time I'd heard anything remotely close to fusion, and it blew my mind.  That I got a copy of Bitches Brew in my vinyl collection ten years later feels like a footnote in my development in comparison)
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CANTERBURY SCENE Caravan - If I Could Do It...... (80's)
CROSSOVER PROG Supertramp - Crime Of The Century (70's)
ECLECTIC PROG King Crimson - ITCOTCK (80's)
EXPERIMENTAL/POST METAL Tool - Laterus (00's)
HEAVY PROG Atomic Rooster - Death Walks Behind You (80's)
INDO-PROG/RAGA ROCK Third Ear Band - Music From Macbeth (00's)
JAZZ ROCK/FUSION Bruford Levin Upper Extremities - Blue Nights (00's)
KRAUTROCK Can - Future Days (00's)
NEO-PROG Asturias - Birds Eye View (10's)
POST ROCK/MATH ROCK Sigur Rós - Ágætis Byrjun (00's)
PROG FOLK Jethro Tull - Aqualung (80's)
PROGRESSIVE ELECTRONIC Tangerine Dream - Phaedra (90's)
PROGRESSIVE METAL Liquid Tension Experiment - s/t (90's)
PSYCHEDELIC/SPACE ROCK Pink Floyd - DSOTM (70's)
RIO/AVANT-PROG Captain Beefheart - Mirror Man (80's)
ROCK PROGRESSIVO ITALIANO Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso - Io Sono Nato Libero (00's)
SYMPHONIC PROG Genesis - Trespass  or Yes - CTTE (80's)
TECH/EXTREME PROG METAL Cynic - Focus (00's)
ZEUHL Magma - Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh (00's)
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