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jamesbaldwin
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Posted: April 12 2020 at 10:59 |
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Yes we are talkin about very good albums, masterpieces or almost masterpieces. I agree with you, sound effects in TDSOTM perfectly fit into the general scope of the album. In my personal ranking both Foxtrot and TDSOTM are between 4 and 5 stars, but TDSOTM is really close to 5 stars. Still, I consider TDSOTM overrated thanks to the perfection of his packaging. Overrated if I think that it is in the Top 10 of PA and RateYourMusic.
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kenethlevine
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I cast the deciding vote!
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geekfreak
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trust you! FOXTROT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but DSOTM is awesome
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Sacro_Porgo
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That's hilarious!
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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I used to work in a record store in the early 90's customer: "hey you guys don't have any Floyd?" me: "yes, did you look under P" customer: "I'm an idiot"
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Olape
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I totally agree with this opinion.
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richardh
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well obviously I totally disagree with that . Rick Wright's synths are tremendous on that album (very bored by what he does on DSOTM tbh) so I think Waters was still 'allowing' others to come and influence the music. It was after this that it became Water's band although I still love Animals and The Wall is alos very important to me and has way more 'heart' than DSOTM (IMHO).
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M27Barney
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The start of Shine on, is sublime, atmospheric theatre and extended...Genesis should have done similar with Salmacis, where a great track could have been made epic along with an extended guitar solo at the end...and an obviously OTT start and the great VCS 3 work at the end, makes shine on far less likeable to non proggers....It has the essence of symphonic prog genius...but replace the sax with guitar or synth and it would gain more for me anyway...I know i'm a particular kind of prog snob...but I know what I like...
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rogerthat
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Thanks. And for me, Dark Side was my introduction to Floyd so that may be a part of why I am more attached to it vis a vis Animals.
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Lewian
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Very well written and I agree with most of this, except that I can still connect better to the music on Animals, maybe because it was my first Floyd album and one of my first albums overall, and for me it had a big impact even if not on the world of music, but maybe also because analysis of music sometimes can't get into why a certain guitar part, a certain transition etc. work so well on an emotional level. By the way, I couldn't get into Dark Side for a long time and until not so many years ago I would have ranked it lower than the three that came after it and most that came before. Not that I didn't like it but I couldn't see what's so great about it, or rather I saw a well working concept but not so much the greatness of the music behind it, a bit like Barney if you want... at some point it just clicked, and how it clicked!
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rogerthat
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Exactly my thoughts. Their most by the numbers album of the ones from Meddle to Wall.
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Sean Trane
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what?? let a bunch of ignorant, opiniated and skewed twisted minds get it all wrong?? No bloody way!! especially when everyone knows that Caravanserai is the best one out there
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rogerthat
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Nah, WYWH was the one they made when they were burnt out after the success of DSOTM. And it shows. Also the beginning of the Waters-isation of Floyd.
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Sacro_Porgo
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I've always felt WYWH is actually a touch more commercial than DSOTM. Sure it's very spacey and atmospheric, but it also has the title track, which is 70s radio incarnate, and Have A Cigar, which is the kind of great blues jam half a dozen rock bands could've made a hit out of. DSOTM isn't uncommercial, but I think it's telling that it has On The Run and The Great Gig In The Sky on it, as well as the fact that although Money became a massive hit, it is the only song by any band in 7/4 ever to reach that level of chart success. No matter how catchy that bass line is, it must have seemed unlikely that it would really hit big until it happened. WYWH just seems more cleaned up to me, even its experiments still keeping one ear to the charts.
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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Sacro_Porgo
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I kind of doubt they put together DSOTM wanting to make WYWH all along.
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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M27Barney
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Aye...the older floyd releases I have in my collection, but as yet unplayed...another gap in my prog listening experience. I have only just got round to hearing Yes and Time and a word...even though I have both vinyl and CD versions....I have said before I have hundreds of unheard cds and at least a 1000 single spun cds....I suffer from wantimg to spin what I love when preparing a playlist...😎
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richardh
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I suppose what I am really saying is that it was just as pretentious as everything else that was called 'prog' but somehow managed to gain a lot of credit for being down to earth. It still feels altogether too contrived and convenient. It was also backed by a massive marketing campaign in the USA where they were keen to break into. It succeeded in spades of course. I don't want to come off as a 'hater' though because I have massive respect for Waters, Gilmour and Co. Wish You Were Here on the other hand was the prog album of the mid seventies and I like to believe that was the album they really wanted to do but perhaps felt there were other pressures that lead them down the DSOTM route first. Again just theorising and not trying to say this is the truth. Its just my view for what's it worth ( diddly squat I expect)
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Mortte
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I am a Floyd fanboy and no-one just canīt say me what I prefer from them. To me WYWH is the second weakest Floyd album in their 1967-79 albums (only Obscured is weaker). And although Animals is really high in my rating and I listen it more these days than Dark Side, it doesnīt go over. After Atom Heart albums Dark Side is the greatest.
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iluvmarillion
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I'll never forget the first time I listened to WYWH with a couple of friends. Absolutely freaked me out. The lyrics about Syd make it more emotionally connecting for me than DSOTM. Animals has only one outstanding song to me in Dogs whereas The Wall rambles on a bit too long on the fourth side but has Comfortably Numb which is their best ever song.
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