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    Posted: May 30 2024 at 21:41
I always desired a live album from Triumvirat in the 70s. It never happened. Not that I can remember...however..if someone had the recordings of "In Concert" , audience and all..that would make a great live cd release from Triumvirat.

Some of the most obscure bands released live albums. Maybe there was a live concert of Triumvirat in the last 20 some years. Maybe pulled from the archive vault. I wouldn't mind hearing that. I think it would be interesting and I'd definitely buy the cd.
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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

I have been facebook friends with former Triumvirat singers Barry Palmer and David Hanselmann for quite some time, and both have mentioned something is in the works-what and to what extent I do not know, yet-regarding a revival of Triumvirat.....Hanselmann said he had been in conversation with Juergen Fritz.....I will keep you people that are interested posted of developments.
It has been communicated, today by a Cologne Music Company that Triumvirat's Juergen Fritz will be releasing "Triumvirat Melodies" soon! I will keep all posted on further news on this!

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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Thank you. Very interesting trivia. I'm not familiar with the band's lore, thus I can only guess.

I have however heard about the fact that Helmut learned the lyrics to the songs on IoaDD phonetically. It's crazy. There was no internet in the 70's (duh), and because of that, not much English-language audio/audiovisual content outside of English-speaking countries was easy or cheap to obtain. So I guess the best option at the time was to simply make friends with a native speaker, if you could find one. It's quite impressive, that Helmut pulled it off so well. His pronunciation was superb and at first listening, before reading about it, I was 100% certain he was a fluent speaker. xD

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I have a theory that the fella who read the short narration ("Mine is the road to nowhere...) in the title track, might've had some input in instructing Helmut Köllen how to sing in English. It's just a theory, but whatevs; I thought it'd share it for funs.

Thanks for your reply. I do very appreciate your keen interest in the band, and interesting insights you share! Btw, the person doing the narration, Peter Cadera, was a roadie for the band back in the day. I looked him up on facebook but got no reply after requesting a friendship. lol oh, well, life goes on....
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Thank you. Very interesting trivia. I'm not familiar with the band's lore, thus I can only guess.

I have however heard about the fact that Helmut learned the lyrics to the songs on IoaDD phonetically. It's crazy. There was no internet in the 70's (duh), and because of that, not much English-language audio/audiovisual content outside of English-speaking countries was easy or cheap to obtain. So I guess the best option at the time was to simply make friends with a native speaker, if you could find one. It's quite impressive, that Helmut pulled it off so well. His pronunciation was superb and at first listening, before reading about it, I was 100% certain he was a fluent speaker. xD

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I have a theory that the fella who read the short narration ("Mine is the road to nowhere...) in the title track, might've had some input in instructing Helmut Köllen how to sing in English. It's just a theory, but whatevs; I thought it'd share it for funs.

Thanks for your reply. I do very appreciate your keen interest in the band, and interesting insights you share!
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Thank you. Very interesting trivia. I'm not familiar with the band's lore, thus I can only guess.

I have however heard about the fact that Helmut learned the lyrics to the songs on IoaDD phonetically. It's crazy. There was no internet in the 70's (duh), and because of that, not much English-language audio/audiovisual content outside of English-speaking countries was easy or cheap to obtain. So I guess the best option at the time was to simply make friends with a native speaker, if you could find one. It's quite impressive, that Helmut pulled it off so well. His pronunciation was superb and at first listening, before reading about it, I was 100% certain he was a fluent speaker. xD

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I have a theory that the fella who read the short narration ("Mine is the road to nowhere...) in the title track, might've had some input in instructing Helmut Köllen how to sing in English. It's just a theory, but whatevs; I thought it'd share it for funs.

Edited by Hrychu - May 10 2024 at 11:44
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

From what I understand, Mister Ten Percent is about a band basically saying "good riddance" to their manager, who's retiring. But, one piece of the puzzle doesn't fit and that is "Lucky Girl". It seems almost as if it was a loose Köllen composition shoehorned it at the last minute in order to have something on the album with Helmut Köllen's writing credit (contractual reasons?).

Does any Triumvirat aficionado here perhaps know for sure why that is?
 

In all my time of researching Triumvirat, and through my communications with band members and close friends and family of the band, I never heard that this writing credit belonging to Helmut was done for a "contractual reason". Helmut was just getting his "sea legs" in writing a song with English lyrics at this time (the lyrics were written by drummer Hans Bathelt)- his songwriting contribution is so minute on this record is because at the time of it's creation, Koellen did not know English and had to learn to read and sing the lyrics phonetically in order to sing English at all. I don't think there is any legal reason behind that dynamic in the band at that time.  Also, nothing in recording the album was done "at the last minute" or "shoehorned in"-quite the opposite occurred-the band took many months to complete the record, with record company EMI repeatedly questioning them as to "when will you get this record done?".


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From what I understand, Mister Ten Percent is about a band basically saying "good riddance" to their manager, who's retiring. But, one piece of the puzzle doesn't fit and that is "Lucky Girl". It seems almost as if it was a loose Köllen composition shoehorned it at the last minute in order to have something on the album with Helmut Köllen's writing credit (contractual reasons?).

Does any Triumvirat aficionado here perhaps know for sure why that is?
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

One for you Doug. I'm currently de-cluttering and came across a number of music mags I used to read. Most have articles about ELP (my fav band). However I did see this.
From the Jan. 1976 Issue of Circus magazine



Awesome! Barry Palmer mentioned in his site that they had this poster all over North America at the time....Barry wanted to tour the album in North America , etc., but Juergen wouldn't, and Palmer felt it was a lost opportunity....
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One for you Doug. I'm currently de-cluttering and came across a number of music mags I used to read. Most have articles about ELP (my fav band). However I did see this.
From the Jan. 1976 Issue of Circus magazine



Thank you for supporting independently produced music
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^ Interesting, so yes, please, keep us posted.
Can also become something very disappointing, with so much time passed since (either too retro or too distant...), but it will be interesting anyway to hear it if something new will be released.

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I have been facebook friends with former Triumvirat singers Barry Palmer and David Hanselmann for quite some time, and both have mentioned something is in the works-what and to what extent I do not know, yet-regarding a revival of Triumvirat.....Hanselmann said he had been in conversation with Juergen Fritz.....I will keep you people that are interested posted of developments.
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IoaDD is a particularly lighthearted album. One of the things that makes it unique and differentiates it from ELP's output is the use of guest strings, horns, female harmony adlibs, occasional co-lead vocals (provided by Fritz), and lots of acoustic guitar (used more extensively that on any studio ELP album)

EDIT: I listened to the title song again, and noticed an uncredited harpsichord part at 9:46! How could I not notice it before!? xD Also there's a clavinet riff at 13:10 (miscredited as electric piano). EDIT2: it actually might be a Hohner Pianet N.

EDIT3: Or maybe Fritz had a Hohner Duo? It's technically an Pianet N electric piano with a clavinet mechanism inside.

Edited by Hrychu - February 28 2024 at 03:34
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Listening to 'Illusions on a Double Dimple' right now (first time listen) I can certainly see the ELP influence, they're similar, but Triumvrate seems lighter, less bombastic. Fantastic record this!
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Originally posted by Dapper~Blueberries Dapper~Blueberries wrote:

So I have just finished the first 3 Triumvirat records, and they don't quite remind me of ELP, more so stuff from the RPI scene like PFM or Le Orme. But they're really good, honestly surprised I have not heard any of their stuff earlier. I think my favorite of theirs right now is Spartacus, just very consistently good.
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So I have just finished the first 3 Triumvirat records, and they don't quite remind me of ELP, more so stuff from the RPI scene like PFM or Le Orme. But they're really good, honestly surprised I have not heard any of their stuff earlier. I think my favorite of theirs right now is Spartacus, just very consistently good.
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But you know what got me hooked personally? IoaDD.
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Just my opinion, but the best place to start, especially if you're already an ELP diehard, is Spartacus.

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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Dapper~Blueberries Dapper~Blueberries wrote:

Alrighty. I'll check em' out soon enough!


Hi Dylan; I also enjoy Triumvirat very much. Whilst I think Dimple is their finest offering (Spartacus not far behind), I would actually say Mediterranean Tales (debut) is a very good place to start, to get into their sound; it's not quite as complex and I think it's quite underrated.  It's also usually the one you can pick up cheapest!


Alrighty! I will be sure to check that out first
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Originally posted by Dapper~Blueberries Dapper~Blueberries wrote:

Alrighty. I'll check em' out soon enough!

Hi Dylan; I also enjoy Triumvirat very much. Whilst I think Dimple is their finest offering (Spartacus not far behind), I would actually say Mediterranean Tales (debut) is a very good place to start, to get into their sound; it's not quite as complex and I think it's quite underrated.  It's also usually the one you can pick up cheapest!
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