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The T
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Topic: IQ and psychometric testing... Posted: April 24 2017 at 12:57 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
Atheism is why the west is in such a mess right now
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1. What 2. Why do you say it's a "mess"? As compared to, what, the 1800s? The 1900s? The 60s? 3. What
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micky
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Posted: April 23 2017 at 06:22 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
Atheism is why the west is in such a mess right now
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if you weren't known as a troll... that might beg for an explanation... I'd tend to say runaway materialism and Capitalism has done far more to create the mess and economic and social decline here than a bunch of bible beaters taking their religion and trying to legislate their beliefs and their morality on others has.
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Posted: April 23 2017 at 02:15 |
........no bother........
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Posted: April 23 2017 at 02:04 |
^^ Do you even have to ask? The Saracen are invading Europe and atheists aren't going to stop them.
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Posted: April 23 2017 at 02:00 |
^ by not being muslims & xtians probably.
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Posted: April 23 2017 at 01:08 |
^How so?
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: April 22 2017 at 12:46 |
Atheism is why the west is in such a mess right now
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The T
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Posted: April 05 2017 at 07:33 |
Dean wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
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Any person who believes Jesus rode a dinosaur should be automatically disqualified.
Over 40% of people couldn't be candidates then. |
The sad thing is that there are plenty of people who believe such religious nonsense. |
I'd automatically disqualify anyone who believed stories of taking snakes & bushes and/or who worshipped a zombie, so that's 70% of the population.
Which means you're gonna be ruled by buddhists, atheists and hindus but those three tend to play nice together so maybe that's a good thing. |
Count me in to vote for a completely atheist government. Alas, and per actual surveys, in the US people would first elect an actual murderer before an atheist.
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Posted: April 05 2017 at 05:51 |
I have known people who were engineers who I thought to be great managers (say as COOs). I'm biased of course, but my wife, who is a chemical engineer, I thought was an excellent manager/director, but I can't infer too much based on my limited experience and inherent biases. A good manager should be widely respected and respectable, and a lot of that has to do with being seen to be fair. It depends on the person. CEOs often require salesmanship because sales is an important part, and to appeal to shareholders. There are good salespeople and those who are bullsh*t artists.
Politicians tend to be salespeople, despite what they formally studied, but I harbor some disdain for salespeople including politicians.
There is no one type of academic background that makes one great for office, though I would think that someone who has a great deal of general knowledge and a general love of learning including re-evaluating and scrutinising their opinions as well as those of the party is more likely to do good for the country, I think. I would like a so-called Renaissance man or woman in office, and someone with integrity and compassion who is not just self-serving.
It is indeed important for the leader to be surrounded by knowledgeable people, and the person should be receptive to a wide range of opinions. It requires a pretty open-minded politician who is interested in the pursuit of truth, for one thing. Someone like Trump is not. He seems anti-science for one thing, and doesn't try to appeal to the most rational of people, and chooses people based on his own biases, agenda, personality traits etc. Trump is an egotistical bullsh*t artist.
As for my philosophical interests, the people who I find that I tend to turn to most to satisfy those interests of mine are often primarily psychologists. Philosophy is a very wide "non-discipline" and intersects with many planes of studies.
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Posted: April 05 2017 at 04:43 |
Ok, ok...so there's no winning formula for the perfect politico.
Maybe the best bet is merely for a good diplomat to surround him or herself with good accountants, lawyers, engineers and military strategists and then hope for the best.
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Posted: April 05 2017 at 02:59 |
There are many forms of intellect. Just because the prez is nifty with numbers doesn't necessarily mean he understands the emotional turmoil of a bleeding vagina once a month. It also doesn't qualify her as someone who can discuss quantum physics and X factor gossip with equal elegance. One of out most beloved physicist here in Denmark is named Holger Bech Nielsen. The man is an absolute genius when it comes to math, physics and how the universe works. He can dance with the best of em and he is furthermore a brilliant conveyor of knowledge - making complex theories appear simple to laymen such as myself. He knows all of this 'stuff' yet can't for the life of him tie his own shoelaces.
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Posted: April 05 2017 at 01:33 |
I guess my utter contempt for philosophers (and by inference philosophy) is well known here. Just as the academic study of history is an adequate qualification for observing and commenting upon past historical events, but a piss-poor one for creating new historical events, the study of philosophy, which I'm sure it is enormous fun, is an adequate qualification for observing and commenting on the activities of politicians and governments but it is wholly inadequate for being one. I regard the academic study of politics and/or economics in exactly the same way. Terrific if you want to be a journalist but of no value if you want to run a country. [If anyone thinks that they'd like to be governed by an economist probably hasn't worked for company run by an accountant.]
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EDIT: I think law and engineering are two of the best academic backgrounds for office. |
Not sure. Margaret Hilda Thatcher was a Chemist (afaik, the closest we ever got to having an engineer as PM), Theresa Mary May has a BA in Geography (so I presume she can name the other 27 countries of the EU at least) and the last lawyer to be PM was Anthony Charles Lynton Blair... so not the greatest track record there then. There is an adage that engineers don't make good managers because they are more interested in engineering than they are in management which makes them too goal-driven, and that is partly true. As an ex-engineering manager I was a "player-manager" and have been told by those who worked for me that I did okay as a manager even though I actually didn't like managing people. If asked to choose a CEO from list of candidates that included an engineer, an accountant and a salesman I'd probably pick the salesman first, then the engineer.
Edited by Dean - April 05 2017 at 02:19
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Posted: April 04 2017 at 23:16 |
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Would a candidate with master degree in political science be good qualified as head of state? |
Nope.
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Dean
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Posted: April 04 2017 at 23:15 |
dr wu23 wrote:
The T wrote:
Any person who believes Jesus rode a dinosaur should be automatically disqualified.
Over 40% of people couldn't be candidates then. |
The sad thing is that there are plenty of people who believe such religious nonsense. |
I'd automatically disqualify anyone who believed stories of taking snakes & bushes and/or who worshipped a zombie, so that's 70% of the population.
Which means you're gonna be ruled by buddhists, atheists and hindus but those three tend to play nice together so maybe that's a good thing.
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dr wu23
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Posted: April 04 2017 at 13:49 |
The T wrote:
Any person who believes Jesus rode a dinosaur should be automatically disqualified.
Over 40% of people couldn't be candidates then. |
The sad thing is that there are plenty of people who believe such religious nonsense.
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The T
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Posted: April 04 2017 at 12:03 |
Any person who has even been the star of a reality TV show should be automatically disqualified.
We would lose a few candidates.
Any person who believes Jesus rode a dinosaur should be automatically disqualified.
Over 40% of people couldn't be candidates then.
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Posted: April 04 2017 at 11:34 |
Would a candidate with master degree in political science be good qualified as head of state?
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Posted: April 04 2017 at 11:32 |
many of those who are elected as priminister in Norway either has economic degress or law, very few with higher then five years of completed education ( master) or even three year (bachelor), Gro Harlem who were our priminister in the 90s had a PhD in medicine i think. Our current pope has a master degree in chemistry... more qulified then current president of US accademicly.
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Posted: April 03 2017 at 11:49 |
To be Platonic, but only Philosopher Kings can understand truth and the greater good. ;)
I usually associate politicians with law degrees, but In England the PPE degrees (especially from Oxford) are considered to be fast tickets to political office. I loved studying Philosophy, but ideally the arts should be studied in tandem with the sciences. I'd like to see more mathematicians and physicists in office.
EDIT: I think law and engineering are two of the best academic backgrounds for office.
Edited by Logan - April 03 2017 at 12:08
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Dean
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Posted: April 03 2017 at 11:24 |
Perhaps I should have said, anyone with a Philosophy, Politics or Economics degree, or combinations thereof as I don't see any of them as being ideal qualifications for running a country... but especially anyone who thought a PPE degree was the best meal-ticket for a career in politics and have never had a "proper job".
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