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Topic: Your top most pretentious prog bands?
Posted: July 04 2017 at 06:23

Have any prog bands created societies to take over the planet yet??

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Posted: July 04 2017 at 06:06

1: King Crimson
2: Pink Floyd
3: Emerson, Lake and Palmer
4: Yes
5: Genesis

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Posted: February 10 2017 at 05:40

These guys aren't pretentious, under-rated as hell, but not pretentious.

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Posted: February 10 2017 at 05:08

Everyone, probably. To confront with Bach, Bartok and Cage is pretentious, but it's also risky. It is that risk taking which sometimes makes prog so interesting.

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Posted: February 10 2017 at 04:32

Of course proggies could give the word some kind of positive ironic spin. "Now ELP are really badly pretentious, so cool!"
By the way, I think there was a pretentious element to most of what Eloy's Frank Bornemann did (I tend to suspect that if he calls an album "Visionary" it's really about himself), but then he managed to get some positive creative energy out of it, so fine by me. (And I'm able to ignore lyrics when listening to music... good for me!)

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Posted: February 10 2017 at 03:44

NutterAlert wrote:

Mascodagama wrote:

Evidently there are very different understandings of what constitutes pretentiousness being employed by different posters. My own personal one is that pretentiousness is about pretence - specifically, pretending to operate on some kind of artistic or intellectual level that is not actually earned or achieved. e.g. Jon Anderson's Yes lyrics were frequently pretentious as they aspired to the status of poetry / philosophy without having any actual substance. Peter Hamill's lyrics with VdGG weren't pretentious because, although they had obvious literary and intellectual aspirations, Hamill had the substance to back it up - an actual poet not a pretend one.

Just passing through...but this one sums it up perfectly.

Anderson is a pretentious ex-milkman from Accrington, while Hammill is a towering genius.

Or maybe you just envy Jon´s gorgeous hair. Passing thru. Great. Go and get a life.

Damn commies, didn´t I tell... LOL

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Posted: February 10 2017 at 03:09

Just passing through...but this one sums it up perfectly.

Anderson is a pretentious ex-milkman from Accrington, while Hammill is a towering genius.

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Posted: February 10 2017 at 02:54

Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Ive always believed that music is created in the cosmos and is only channelled through humans therefore it is impossible for music to be pretentious.. even if, on occasion, the people who make it might be Wink

Quite rightly so, dear Watcher of the Skies. And I would add that the people who listen to it as well.

Silly human, silly human race, isn´t it ?

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Posted: February 10 2017 at 02:36

In this context the word pretentious is totally wrong, of course.

For me it´s dull.

Without Keith Emerson and Rick Wakeman progressive music would have been still quite dull back in the day. They were geniuses, they created something new. No wonder critics hated them. Damn commies LOL

Edited by Son.of.Tiresias - February 10 2017 at 02:57

You may see a smile on Tony Banks´ face but that´s unlikely.

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Posted: February 09 2017 at 23:34

^Fair enough.

But you REALLY don't like Bono, do you?

I don't even like U2, but I just don't think he's as much of an attention whore as all that. But no biggy. I don't like Roger Waters.

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Posted: February 09 2017 at 23:07

Tapfret wrote:

^Really? A message is pretentious? Not everyone can be a lawyer or promote change with huge infusions of cash.

Again, this word is slung around like it exists anywhere but complete abstraction.

No, a message infused with a huge ego and self-importance to that message.

Otherwise, as I see it. Music is music, good and bad. Entirely up to subjective debate.

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Posted: February 09 2017 at 22:46

^Fantastic!

Except you dropped this.

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Posted: February 09 2017 at 19:26

pretentious

Also found in: Thesaurus, Legal, Wikipedia.

pre·ten·tious

(prĭ-tĕn′shəs)

adj.

1. Claiming that or behaving as if one is important or deserving of merit when such is not the case: a pretentioussocialite.

2. Showing or betraying an attitude of superiority: made pretentious remarks about his education.

3. Marked by an extravagant or presumptuous outward show; ostentatious: a pretentious house.

Really? Are bands that are just more able to present musical expressions that you can not yet understand ---- pretentious? Or are you just jealous that you don't get it because you don't want to advance to the levels of getting it?

These and other questions haunt our psychological realities day to day but no answers truly satisfy until we do the homework to understand how advanced Calculus was derived from Algebra in the first place. I guess we should call of of creation pretentious? I mean, you don't understand it totally so why not?

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Posted: February 09 2017 at 18:42

^Really? A message is pretentious? Not everyone can be a lawyer or promote change with huge infusions of cash.

Again, this word is slung around like it exists anywhere but complete abstraction.

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Posted: February 09 2017 at 16:40

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Thatfabu i will never forget there are so many classic albums and for some reason when i first heard Where The Streets Have No Name i thought what a great song from their soon to be released The Joshua Tree, then the song that got me over the cliff and on the Edge oops not intentional hmmm With Or Without You, 25 million albums later or more from my perspective and i have 550 cd's & some vinyl it would have to be an all time classic i'd rate it in my collection top 10 one of the finest.

In my opinion, the closest thing music can get to "pretentiousness" is trying to change the world or preach political agendas, otherwise it's a meaningless word (in context of art)

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Posted: February 09 2017 at 15:47

Blacksword wrote:

Most prog is pretty pretentious. But that's fine, there's nothing wrong with pretence in music. If all bands 'kept it real' music would be very bland and uninspiring.

Yes spring to mind as being ridiculously pretentious.

Pretentious= word made famous by frustrated music critics who could not put two notes together, describing someone who did actually study music. Because for the imbecile wannabe, studying and knowledge are pretentious. Confused

The second most misused word after: 'like' LOL

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Posted: February 09 2017 at 15:46

Ive always believed that music is created in the cosmos and is only channelled through humans therefore it is impossible for music to be pretentious.. even if, on occasion, the people who make it might be Wink

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Posted: February 09 2017 at 15:42

Thatfabu i will never forget there are so many classic albums and for some reason when i first heard Where The Streets Have No Name i thought what a great song from their soon to be released The Joshua Tree, then the song that got me over the cliff and on the Edge oops not intentional hmmm With Or Without You, 25 million albums later or more from my perspective and i have 550 cd's & some vinyl it would have to be an all time classic i'd rate it in my collection top 10 one of the finest.

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Posted: February 09 2017 at 15:03

Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.

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Posted: February 09 2017 at 14:45

Moshquito i do have to agree in retrospect i have so many acts i call classic bands and their music besides my top 5 in either order The Eagles,Jethro Tull,Doors, Pink Floyd,Led Zeppelin. I have around probably an extra 70 bands i really enjoy & having seen many many concerts if i had to choose 2 concerts one would have to be Pink Floyd during their Momentary Lapse & the late great SRV now that one was a gem. Who cannot forget the above 5 bands did release some all time classic albums that are still played 45 years later & with modern technology sound even better. Just to give you an idea other faves America,Bad Company,Creedence,Beatles Aerosmith,Dokken,Ratt,Rush,ZZTop, Yes,Alice In Chains,Deep Purple,Sabbath,Rainbow,Santana,UFO,MIchael Schenker,Styx,Kansas,Babys,Journey,Frank Marino & Mahogany Rush,Hendrix,Rush,Asia with John Wetton & John Payne,Robin Trower, i don't mind a bit of doom metal, really enjoy Type O Negative, Paradise Lost, My Dying Bride i know there is some good music in there somewhere. I agree too some of the critics do talk crap at times, whether they're fans of the music at times remains to be seen, and the reviews do at times suck eggs.