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Dick Heath 
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 Topic: What happened to bass solos?
Posted: September 01 2004 at 09:23 |
 arqwave wrote:
hi there...
........... Ron Carter, Dave Holland, Miroslav Vitous etc............
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Three renown double bass players - did Ron Carter ever play electric?. Dave Holland played electric bass briefly because Miles Davis asked him to - then for next 30 years played double bass. When Miroslav play electric bass last- mid 80's with Terj Rypdal (on the ECM recording To be Continued???) - however, please to say MV's Magical Shepherd got remastered and released in the last 2 years, with him playing a double necked lead/bass guitar (lots of bonuses here too: Herbie Hancock playing keys, and Jack DeJohnette on drums as funky as you'll ever hear him).
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Posted: August 02 2004 at 19:27 |
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There are some amazing Bass Solos in The Mars Volta - Deloused in the comatorium. Done by Flea from Red Hot Chili Peppers. The best one is in the middle of "Take the Veil Cerpin Taxt" as it is the perfect linking solo and keeps it flowing.
Also check out Cliff Burton, the late Metallica bassist who was god of the 4 strings. classic moment is "(Anaesthesia) Pulling Teeth", a 5 minute bass solo on the debut album, "Kill Em All".
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Posted: July 19 2004 at 06:42 |
danbo wrote:
If you like bass, what about Chapman Stick or Warr Guitar? Tony Levin, Sean Malone and Trey Gunn have taken those instruments to incredible levels. They can have the range of a piano (Various number of strings 10-12....) and a played by tapping the strings. Each fret acts as a pickup. These guys play some wild solos in the lower ranges through standard guitar pitches. Very innovative, IMO.
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gaah, I've been dreaming about a Warr Phalanx every night since I found out about it! If I'd ever get the money, though, mine would be a 14-string! 
Anyway, about bass solos, there's a few on Planet X's "Moonbabies". And, Spastic Ink's records are full of WILD bass playing, both the solos and rythm lines are of the sort that's not just ultra-fast soloing, it's odd-time finger-wrenching MADNESS.  Granted, especially "Moonbabies" is full of that stuff as well, but I guess that the Spastics take it a small step further, considering sickness... Sherinian has said that his main goal with PX is to play sicker music than anybody else, so, it'll be interesting to hear what their answer to "Ink Compatible" will be... 
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Posted: July 18 2004 at 16:05 |
Greg's voice...
I think it was a natural change... altho you know he smoked for years...and he actually didn't give that up till 1998. He always had a lower voice that you think... listen to "Living Sin" closer sometime.. but Keith tended to write the music for his tenor voice.. and he always seemed to be straining a bit with it. So with the straining.. and having to sing every other night for 18 month tours... you know that had to be hell on his voice.
When I saw him during his solo tours in 81, he sounded great... but you could tell his voice was lowering a bit. By ELPowell, his voice had grown very mature.. and we spoke about it actually.. and he said to me that he thought that the strength in Cozy's playing spurred him in being a little more forceful... and I said.. "forceful".. geez without a mike, I could still hear you up to 42nd Street... :)
I think the most noticeable problem with his voice came after they had been on that Black Moon tour for about a year.. they decided to re-record some songs for the box set... I don't know what they were thinking... Greg had been on tour singing for a year and singing ELP numbers that were written for a higher voice... so the strain was killing him.... and he was going to re-record "The Sage"... I have to say tho that I thought his cover of "Hang on to a Dream" and "Fire" sounded really good... Every time I hear him sing "I'm the god of Hellfire" I'm usually ROTFLMAO!
But the strain was noticeable on the RAH video.. and that was recorded after doing 16 months of shows...That was always ELP's problem...they tended to record after being at it for months already... instead of at the beginning when everything was fresh and well rested... The Montreal video in 77 was filmed after 6 months of rehearsals and 6 months on the road...
But I heard him on the Ringo tour and he sounded wonderful. His voice is lower, but he still has that reflection and tonal quality in his voice that makes it distinctively Greg Lake.. I have friends that heard him sing last year at the Charity gig with Roger Daltry.. and they said he sounded great... so all I can hope for is that he is taking care of that golden voice... cause I sure miss it and am dying to hear it again...
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Posted: July 18 2004 at 14:25 |
What happened to his voice Threefates? I ask in all sincerity. I've heard other people voices change a bit as they grow older, but when you listen to Lake's singing on Black Moon compared to the first albums, its astonishing how much lower he's singing.
Was it just a natural change?
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Posted: July 18 2004 at 00:52 |
dropForge wrote:
Even if you're a girl, to not notice the band's star (Keith Emerson) and everything he's doing on the keyboards sounds pretty off the wall.
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Spoken by a guy!!
Sorry, but I never considered Keith to be the band's star. The best instrument in the band was Greg's voice...
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Posted: July 17 2004 at 21:28 |
| cause it was extremely hard for me to notice anything other than what Greg Lake was doing... |
Even if you're a girl, to not notice the band's star (Keith Emerson) and everything he's doing on the keyboards sounds pretty off the wall.
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Posted: July 17 2004 at 00:58 |
Well I think most time, that half of what ELP did live was a bass solo... cause it was extremely hard for me to notice anything other than what Greg Lake was doing...
I know, I know.. sometimes I just like to prove that I'm a girl...
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Posted: July 17 2004 at 00:22 |
A bass solo I love, but I only discovered recently (that is, somewhere in the second half of last year) is that of the 1977 live rendition of 'Ashes are Burning'. by Renaissance.
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Posted: July 16 2004 at 23:55 |
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I've held many conversations with other people who totally unappreciate
the bass. As a bass player I found it really distressing when I
found out that one of these people is a bass player themself. If
you take the bass away it just isn't right. Bass solos are a rare
thing that I would like to see more of if it's in the right
music. The Mars Volta has one on their song 'Take the Veil Cerpin
Taxt' which I am reall happy about.
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Posted: July 16 2004 at 20:28 |
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Bass solos need to be appropriate to the piece itself, I believe,
not every piece supports one well. Jaco, albeit a jazzer, was
perhaps the best solo bassist i know of myself, really made it
completely unnecessary for a guitarist in Weather Report. And of course
Stanley Clarke has provided the world with many a nice tasty bass solo.
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Posted: July 16 2004 at 17:07 |
I think the best bass solo I know of is on the "Victims of the future" version of "Empty Rooms" by Gary Moore (as opposed to the sanitised "Best of" versions).
It's followed by one of his finest lead guitar solos too!
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Posted: July 16 2004 at 16:40 |
I play them myself. Pretty cool. Better than guitar solos if you ask me.
For really cool bass solos:
Flea! (Peppers, BEFORE californication), Geddy Lee ofcourse, Victor Wooten! he's the entire band with his bass while playing a solo! amazing!
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Posted: July 16 2004 at 16:29 |
Right on 5ms i am a bass player myself, and i totally agree that there needs to be more solos 4 bass. 
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Posted: June 28 2004 at 08:36 |
At least I have a reason for not talking to guy, I was on vacation all last week.
I play bass too, It'd be nice to hear more bass solos but it just doesn't seem that to many people care. (solos spelled backward is solos)
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Posted: June 28 2004 at 08:34 |
Easy Livin wrote:
I'm not sure if your tongue was in your cheek when you wrote that 5MS,  but Jim Davidson is a big ELP fan. Most of the link music used on the generation game when he presented it was ELP related. |
I have a film at home on DVD of Carl Palmer doing a drum solo on the Generation Game; can't remember the context - somehow I dont think some fat suburbanite had to duplicate the solo.... - but it was a blinder.
I did hear somewhere that JD is actually the president of the ELP fan club....
Isn't it terrible when you find you have similar music tastes to such a right wing unpleasant person as JD (a friend of mine works in a theatre where JD had a one man show - the stories she could tell.........)
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Posted: June 28 2004 at 08:27 |
What's your problem? We just don't have so many members that there are always many members online! But we DO talk to you! 
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Posted: June 27 2004 at 15:13 |
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I think my name sounds extremely pretentious, matbe thats why no one talks to me?
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Posted: June 25 2004 at 18:33 |
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I like the bass solos more than the guitar don't know why but i just do.
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Posted: June 25 2004 at 14:33 |
5 minute solo wrote:
Also does anyone notice how Karn Evil Pt1 by ELP sounds a lot like the theme tune to Jim Davidson's Generation Game? I f only Bruce was still running the show...
"Nice to see you, to see you nice!"
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I'm not sure if your tongue was in your cheek when you wrote that 5MS,  but Jim Davidson is a big ELP fan. Most of the link music used on the generation game when he presented it was ELP related.
Greg Lake actually produced an entire album by Davidson, which consisted mainly of the usual easy listening covers, but did include a surprising good version of "Watching over you".
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