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So what about the thousands of bands already listed here without said ‘prog pedegree’? We merely nuke em all alongside the thousands of reviews written for said albums?
Nahh...such an idea as making a prog site with altogether new ways of looking at the inclusion parametres..well that requires a new site
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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Here's a novel idea, only include artists on PA that have called themselves prog or progressive at some point or where those words appeared on an album sleeve or in an official press release,book,documentary etc.


it does not work like that.
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Here's a novel idea, only include artists on PA that have called themselves prog or progressive at some point or where those words appeared on an album sleeve or in an official press release,book,documentary etc.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Miles Davis' "Kind of Blue" is one of my all-time favourite Jazz albums, so I have no problem with it being included in the PA Hot 100 table. Smile

Then it should be included in an all-time 100 jazz table, or is it me who is missing something?😕
If Miles Davis is included in ProgArchives on account of his "Bitches Brew" album being Jazz-Rock/Fusion, then all of his other albums have to be included too, regardless of whether they're even remotely proggy. Many PA members have obviously voted for his very non-prog "Kind of Blue" album, so I have no problem with it being included amongst the Top 100 PA albums. On the other hand though, before I arrived at ProgArchives, I never would have considered any Miles Davis albums to be Progressive Rock. Smile

Neither, for that matter, do I, and therein lies the problem with the utterly daft idea of adding and rating artists, rather than albums. From memory, the Davis pantheon of albums started in the late 1940’s, when most of our prog heroes were still in nappies, and certainly the world had never heard of the phrase, because it didn’t exist, and yet they are on the site.

Nothing will change, though, so it is rather pointless moaning about it. The only reason I do is because I have just got back after yet another long couple of days away, and I am feeling distinctly grumpy 😡 
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Very nicely stated.
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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Point of order: I must ask, is the Top 100 supposed to be a prog top 100 representing progressive music or is it closer to the Top 100 favourite albums of forum members? It is an important distinction, because any Top 100 of prog that omits iconic albums from true progressive bands in place of metal, hard rock, pop and jazz albums is not worth much as a representative guide.


It's nothing more than a computer generated list. It shows albums that are generally universally loved, which also means that riskier or controversial albums are likely to be left out. Since experimentation and risk-taking are so important in the genre, this does mean that some important artists like Soft Machine or Captain Beefheart do get left out on the basis that they can be too experimental to resonate with many people (and there's nothing wrong with not enjoying these artists - prog isn't a competition to listen to the most experimental music).

It can be a very useful list if you're new to prog and you want to discover some of the greatest albums in the genre, but it's by no means comprehensive. Or if you're familiar with prog, it can help fill in some gaps you might have missed. Use it as a starting point, and then let your own opinions and tastes guide you along.
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

I’ll add another. I love both these albums, but Moonmadness should be ranked higher than Mirage imo.


funny thing: Mirage is 4.39 and Moonmadness is 4.38 LOL
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I’ll add another. I love both these albums, but Moonmadness should be ranked higher than Mirage imo.
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Miles Davis' "Kind of Blue" is one of my all-time favourite Jazz albums, so I have no problem with it being included in the PA Hot 100 table. Smile

Then it should be included in an all-time 100 jazz table, or is it me who is missing something?😕
If Miles Davis is included in ProgArchives on account of his "Bitches Brew" album being Jazz-Rock/Fusion, then all of his other albums have to be included too, regardless of whether they're even remotely proggy. Many PA members have obviously voted for his very non-prog "Kind of Blue" album, so I have no problem with it being included amongst the Top 100 PA albums. On the other hand though, before I arrived at ProgArchives, I never would have considered any Miles Davis albums to be Progressive Rock. Smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Miles Davis' "Kind of Blue" is one of my all-time favourite Jazz albums, so I have no problem with it being included in the PA Hot 100 table. Smile

Then it should be included in an all-time 100 jazz table, or is it me who is missing something?😕
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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Point of order: I must ask, is the Top 100 supposed to be a prog top 100 representing progressive music or is it closer to the Top 100 favourite albums of forum members? It is an important distinction, because any Top 100 of prog that omits iconic albums from true progressive bands in place of metal, hard rock, pop and jazz albums is not worth much as a representative guide.


Everything is explained about the top 100. What iconic albums are omitted? Also what is iconic for one person, is nothing interesting for another.
What is a true progressive band? This reminds me of the whole "true metal" debate some metalheads try to pull. A load of... nonsense.



Give me a good definition of prog and I'll tell you what a true prog band is.


PA's definition and explanations are good enough.



Exactly, so you don't need to ask me what a true progressive band is then.


I know what a progressive band is, a true progressive band, probably not. Ermm
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Point of order: I must ask, is the Top 100 supposed to be a prog top 100 representing progressive music or is it closer to the Top 100 favourite albums of forum members? It is an important distinction, because any Top 100 of prog that omits iconic albums from true progressive bands in place of metal, hard rock, pop and jazz albums is not worth much as a representative guide.


Everything is explained about the top 100. What iconic albums are omitted? Also what is iconic for one person, is nothing interesting for another.
What is a true progressive band? This reminds me of the whole "true metal" debate some metalheads try to pull. A load of... nonsense.



Give me a good definition of prog and I'll tell you what a true prog band is.


PA's definition and explanations are good enough.



Exactly, so you don't need to ask me what a true progressive band is then.
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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Point of order: I must ask, is the Top 100 supposed to be a prog top 100 representing progressive music or is it closer to the Top 100 favourite albums of forum members? It is an important distinction, because any Top 100 of prog that omits iconic albums from true progressive bands in place of metal, hard rock, pop and jazz albums is not worth much as a representative guide.


Everything is explained about the top 100. What iconic albums are omitted? Also what is iconic for one person, is nothing interesting for another.
What is a true progressive band? This reminds me of the whole "true metal" debate some metalheads try to pull. A load of... nonsense.



Give me a good definition of prog and I'll tell you what a true prog band is.


PA's definition and explanations are good enough.
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#definition
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Point of order: I must ask, is the Top 100 supposed to be a prog top 100 representing progressive music or is it closer to the Top 100 favourite albums of forum members? It is an important distinction, because any Top 100 of prog that omits iconic albums from true progressive bands in place of metal, hard rock, pop and jazz albums is not worth much as a representative guide.


Everything is explained about the top 100. What iconic albums are omitted? Also what is iconic for one person, is nothing interesting for another.
What is a true progressive band? This reminds me of the whole "true metal" debate some metalheads try to pull. A load of... nonsense.



Give me a good definition of prog and I'll tell you what a true prog band is.

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Reading through the thread: Basically the conclusion is: Shut the whole thing down, it's pointless. We will never come to a true consensus.
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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Point of order: I must ask, is the Top 100 supposed to be a prog top 100 representing progressive music or is it closer to the Top 100 favourite albums of forum members? It is an important distinction, because any Top 100 of prog that omits iconic albums from true progressive bands in place of metal, hard rock, pop and jazz albums is not worth much as a representative guide.

The top 100 is merely a representation of the highest rated albums on PA..according to those that have ranked/reviewed said albums. Nothing more nothing less
When we get into ‘the best’ or indeed ‘most important’ band/album we’re veering into subjectivity..and well music is inherantly subjective ie we all have our faves and thoughts on music..and we can’t possibly cater to every tastebud out there.

So there is no top 100 which is purposely selected by X group of people...only ratings and reviews that in the end form a list.
http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?salbumtypes=1

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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Point of order: I must ask, is the Top 100 supposed to be a prog top 100 representing progressive music or is it closer to the Top 100 favourite albums of forum members? It is an important distinction, because any Top 100 of prog that omits iconic albums from true progressive bands in place of metal, hard rock, pop and jazz albums is not worth much as a representative guide.


Everything is explained about the top 100. What iconic albums are omitted? Also what is iconic for one person, is nothing interesting for another.
What is a true progressive band? This reminds me of the whole "true metal" debate some metalheads try to pull. A load of... nonsense.

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Point of order: I must ask, is the Top 100 supposed to be a prog top 100 representing progressive music or is it closer to the Top 100 favourite albums of forum members? It is an important distinction, because any Top 100 of prog that omits iconic albums from true progressive bands in place of metal, hard rock, pop and jazz albums is not worth much as a representative guide.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Why should an album like images and words which is one of the most influential prog albums ever be excluded?
 
It may be influential but unless enough people have the same opinion as you it could fall out of the top 100.

And, sadly, a band from this or that place, will never be heard ... because the country is not as big as America or England, or has an internet as well developed as we do. In those places only the well to do have access to it, btw ... and none of my old friends in the state of Sao Paolo, have internet as yet ... we still use letters and packages for stuff.

This is the main issue with "popular" ... the idea that nothing else is as good! History has proven this so wrong, it's not funny, and America even has one of the best examples ... black music and jazz! Their story is enough to bring a lot of tears ... but they made it!
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Why should an album like images and words which is one of the most influential prog albums ever be excluded?
 
It may be influential but unless enough people have the same opinion as you it could fall out of the top 100.
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