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Yukorin ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 21 2005 Location: Japan Status: Offline Points: 1589 |
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Asthetically challenged but with a few nice Magma pics I haven't seen before: http://lieuxdits.free.fr/magma.html Edit:computer iliterate Edited by Yukorin - September 17 2006 at 12:39 |
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Yukorin ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 21 2005 Location: Japan Status: Offline Points: 1589 |
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looks familiar... ![]() |
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speaking of whom... ![]() a long way from zeuhl of course if not by location but a lot closer to progressive rock than many may imagine. Serge left behind a seminal body of work from the late fifties to the mid seventies. Even his eighties work (especially with daughter Charlotte) is worthy of an honourable mention |
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a great, great site with some sound samples http://stevehegede.tripod.com/france.htm (an' always nice to see Serge Gainsbourg get a mention) |
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Yukorin ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 21 2005 Location: Japan Status: Offline Points: 1589 |
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from The Independent 2005/10/27: With fans ranging from snooker champion Steve Davis to Condé Nast director James Truman, Magma is certifiably the only French rock group with a cult following outside the Gallic hexagon. This cult has been exacerbated by their virtual disappearance in the last decade. Founded in 1969 by Christian Vander, a ferouciously mascular drummer, Magma had all the aura of a clandestine religious or political organization. Vander invented his own language, "Kobaian", in whose gutteral, umlaut-littered syllables all Magma songs were sung and their live shows, with enough spotlights and synchronization to make Leni Riefenstahl envious, resembled New Age Nurembergs. In keeping with their underground mystique, Magma recently reappeared in Epinay-sur-Seine, a sad suburb half an hour outside Paris (in the news for legalising homosexual couples) where their record label lingers. Here in the Espace Lumiere, 100 school-children were gathered to sing the music of Vander. Considering his reputation, a musician's musician thought too extreme, fanatical and violent by his own brotherhood of drummers and that Magma have been accused of everything from proto-Facism (their cryptic-mystic logo) to Satanism (Vander's fondness for massive chord changes round the "Devil's Seventh"), a chorus of suburban kids would not seem appropriate. In fact, the application of these innocent crystalline voices to Vander's seminal "Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh", was altogether astonishing, an hour of pure vocal pulse whose soaring clarity redeemed it from any threat of the cutes. If Magma have long been stuck in the Progressive Rock rack between embarassing names like Mona Lisa and Magna Carta, this concert made clear Vander's roots are nothing but jazz. From his father Maurice, a respected pianist, to his own Coltrane fixation, Vander's legacy is one of incredible tonal complexity. Here that complexity was, paradoxically, made paramount by the simplicity of means. If they now seem irredeemably Seventies, Magma were part of the courageous musical experimentation and innovation of that decade often overlooked at the expense of sartorial revivals. Even if their producer Giorgio Gomelsky also promoted the Rolling Stones and their superb bassist Jannick Top is now musical director for Johnny Hollyday, Magma's ambitions were always structural and spiritual rather than commercial, and this integrity is their most important, well-guarded asset. If the new Magma is altogether more discreet, pubescent trills in the place of bombastic drum batteries, and even more evidently a personal quest by Vander, they remain an awesome sonic experience beyond the anecdotal vageries of cult status. To become an internationally revered French rock band has always been too improbable but Magma, more than any one, have tested the limits of that possibility over the last 25 years. |
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Famous MM article from the early days: Melody Maker (Mar 11th, 1974) It was five years ago that, in the face of local apathy,
He could find no one that shared his passion for the musical and spiritual path adopted by the late John Coltrane, and, somewhat disillusioned, he ultimately abandoned the jazz scene and took whatever commercial gigs were available. Thus it was that at one point in 1969, Christian found
himself laying down a half-hearted off-beat behind On returning to France, he found that a number of French rock groups had sprung into existence, possibly motivated by the lack of visiting talent. Amongst these bands were Triangle and Martin Circus, unknown over here, but for a while fantastically successful in France. "The audience were on their knees before these bands," recalls Vander, "and everyone was telling me that they were tremendous. I knew differently. There was nothing there at all." So Vander decided that he'd alter the listening habits of France by forming his own band. His dream was to realize this by playing music that was spiritually as well as physically satisfying. The problem was finding the right musicians. There were initially no virtuoso jazz players that were prepared to attempt Christian's experiment, so Vander looked instead for people who were not necessarily great players, but who had character and imagination and energy. Surprisingly, the first musicians that wanted to play with him were the horn players from Johnny Halliday's band, who were honking and riffing themselves to sleep every night, playing music in which they had neither faith nor interest. Thus it was that the first inception of Magma was by Vander's own admission, "Musically atrocious." A twelve-piece band, it incorporated the Halliday fornt-line, a free jazz double bass player, Laurent Thibault on electric bass, who was later to produce the first album ("a lovely guy, but he couldn't play in time"), Eddy Rabbin on keyboards, the excellent Claude Engel on guitar, and Rene Garber on vocals. Rene, who rejoined the band last year as a contrabass clarinettist, suffered from an inability to sing in tune, and has since returned to music college to study pipe organ. But from shaky beginnings, Magma gradually took off, having picked up Klaus Blasquiz at a demo studio, when Garber had failed to turn up for the recording. Vander had decided that the band shouldn't sing in French as the language is weak sounding one, and as he couldn't speak any other language, he invented his own, full of gutteral noises, and strange Teutonic syllables, perhaps instinctively reflecting Vander's own background, for his roots are not in France, but rather in Poland and the Baltic forests - his grandfather was a nomadic gypsy violinist. But to make the new language functional, Vander sketched out a kind of outer-space morality play, a continuing rock cantata entitled "Theusz Hamtaahk," being a multiple-part story of relationships between Earth and an imaginary Earth-colonised planet named Kobaia. Using this unlikely plot, Vander has created a sci-fic microcosm that bulges with all manner of contradictions and controversies, using the theme to propose all manner of arguable points. Among these, that tyrants are, or can be, guides for civilazation, and that wisdom and enlightenment can only be achieved via punishment. Strong stuff, and the recorded tales of Kobaia so far center around damnation than salvation, with multiple cyclic disasters much in evidence. To date they've been three Magma albums: "Magma"(French Phillips 63595.001/2 - a double album), "1001 Degrees Centigrades"(French Phillips 6397.031), and "Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh" (A&M SP-4397). Of these, only A&M record is widely available in this country, although the first two may be obtained from better import shops. It has to be emphasized. however, that it's not just in lyric content that Magma are a force apart from the rest of rock. Musically, they're more far-reaching than any other band I can think of, and they absorb influences from literally every music form, taking in elements of Bartok, Stockhausen, Carl Orff, Wagner, Coltrane, Ellington, fragments of European folk musics, oriental drones, yet all the time retaining rock'n'roll vitality, with explosive use of dynamics. They breeze effortlessly through crippling time changes, yet without sounding overtly "intellectual" or "tricky." Indeed, at recent English Magma gigs, idiot dancers have been observed happily getting it on in 7/4 and 9/4, something unthinkable at, say, a Soft Machine concert. And speaking of the Softs, it's interesting to recall that their "Third" was hailed as a masterpiece of invigorating invention, and we were told that the band's "crucial importance in the future of popular music cannot be denied." That's as maybe, but it's fascinating to observe that Magma's first album is exactly contemporary with "Third", and in compositional and instrumental terms, it far outstrips the Softs' record, although the two bands at this period shared a certain unity in their use of horns. The principal reed player on all of Magma's recordings has been Teddy Lasry, who's no longer with the group, but is far too important to leave out of any history. Lasry's departure has not been one of choice, but the saxist/flautist is only partially-sighted and cannot take the strain of life on the road. Nontheless, lasry helped shape the direction of the band, and contributed saveral compositions, notably "Sohia" and "Iss Lansei Doia", to Magma's repertoire. Lasry still performs with the band occasionally in France, where the group play six-hour long sets, a somewhat daunting prospect, since the two-hour concerts they've given in England have proved to be the ultimate sensory overload. Even now, Magma continues its unstoppable path through Britain leaving behind a string of standing ovations, and a legion of new believers. Magma's self-styled "Zeuhl Music" is like nothing else ever heard by English audiences, and yet it's met with an open, positive response almost everywhere the band has played. Christian Vander has been drumming for more years than he cares to remember, but it looks as though his time is finally at hand. |
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Yukorin ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 21 2005 Location: Japan Status: Offline Points: 1589 |
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If it is Stella was she rivals with... ![]() ![]() ![]() ...? |
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Yukorin ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 21 2005 Location: Japan Status: Offline Points: 1589 |
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it can't be...can it ? ! ![]() |
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A review of the gig a day previously where they showcased KA and also the upcoming Ementeht-Re and encored with a stunnin' extended 'Kobaia' http://smashingmag.com/tour/05tr/050916magma_tod.html |
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Great review (albeit in Japanese) and pictures of Magma's sensational gig at Shibuya Quattro last year: ![]() (performing 'Wurdah Itah' with solo piano) http://smashingmag.com/tour/05tr/050917magma_nob1.html |
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et voila! Looks wrong to me but who am I to argue?!: ![]() |
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![]() Edited by Yukorin - September 17 2006 at 06:58 |
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you can always rely on the Japanese to agonise over something like this: ![]() Edited by Yukorin - September 17 2006 at 06:58 |
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Bands and artists in the Zeuhl family so far mentioned on this thread: Magma Vortex Pataphonie Archaia Eider Stellaire Dun Koenji Hyakkei Shub Niggurath Weidorje Ruins Pseu Eskaton Runaway Totem Guapo Universal Totem Orchestra Zao Happy Family Patrick Gauthier Bondage Fruit Yog Sothoth Kultivator Evohe Univers Zero Art Zoyd Heldon Lacrymosa Metabolist Strawberry Song Orchestra Cicala Mvta Triple Zero Uppsala Olive Mess St. Erhart Hiatus Bedjabetch Verto Noa Honeyelk Xaal Ex Vitae Resonance II Hellebore Cortex Anaid Yoch'ko Seffer Troll Musique Noise Jacques Thollot Tipographica Abus Dangereux Altais Serge Bringolf Couer Magique Cruciferius The Zorgones Nyl Paga Perception Jean-Paul Prat Speed Limit |
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Wow, some very interesting stuff Yuko!
Cept when i click on the links in the Proto Zeuhl part.. I go straight to the beatles Archive page. Which i s a bummer cause i wanna find out more about Mr. Carl Orff. Oh well. To Google!! |
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