lack of metal knowledge in some reviews

A good deal of prog metal seems to forever dwell within the cesspool of Dream Theater mimicry. Others fall into the pit of metal + keyboards + ridiculous guitar solos + wailing vocals = prog metal. But then you have bands like Enslaved, Pain of Salvation, Devin Townsend, Novembre, Agalloch, maudlin of the Well, etc, who write metal that channels the spirit of 70's/true (uh oh!) prog.

With very few exceptions (Fantomas, John Zorn and Spastic Ink spring to mind), Prog Metal lives within the confines (read limits) of metal - and that's why Classic Proggers can find it hard to take.

Edited by Certif1ed - May 08 2008 at 03:05

crimson87 wrote: The T wrote: crimson87 wrote: Im listening to the lastly submitted samples on the archives,  and "to my surprise" I found out that they (mostly)were all metal-based.I listened to almost 40 tracks and I cant see what the fuss is all about.It sounds like straightforward metal to me.Probably they are considered prog becouse they are mostly Scandinavian and they talk about Valhalla or such (no offense) I think that metal has enough merit to be considered as "prog related" but it does not deserve to be a "pure" category.   They are not even Close to Prog´s Edge.   What band are you talking about Mr. 87? Let me take note so that I can suggest its deletion from the archives after such a deep excellent analytical argument you have given us...   What is that band please?         Well I think you got it wrong Mr T.You could suggest the whole genre´s deletion instead (just joking) But you could begin with Protest the Hero , and that may do it   Or you may suggest me some extreme bands that could co-exist with my Symphonic likings

CCVP wrote:   Besides [prog metal] its the only sub-genre to attract attention to prog since neo prog on the 80's. In fact, i was drawn back to prog because of prog metal. Since my father thinks that prog REALLY died on the 80's (he don't like Marilion, etc) i also thought that for some time, until i discovered it was not dead by prog metal.

your father is right. Names and labels can't recreate a whole scenario of space and time.

Prog metal is a subgenre of prog rock or from heavy metal? To these ears it is an offspring from the heavy metal nursery. And a not-so-heavy one.

My true problem with prog metal is: it doesn't sound metal enough to me. I'm not talking about growling or distortion as automatically putting a song in the metal box.

The only prog metal album I appreciate (from time to time, and that's the only one I cared to buy) is Savatage's "The wake of Magellan". Listening to PoS and DT didn't click any light on me.

i understand why the young ones can make so obviously immature complaints like questioning DT's position in the "scene" (sic) and PA's popularity system (the ranking). Very few people think in early baroque masters when listening to Bach. but there's a big distinction here: while Bach was a God walking among us, creating music to be listened, studied and admired for any number of generations you could think, I don't know any prog metal album that can beat in any criterium any band from the "second league" of the seventies (I know the memebership on this "league" can float as long as you like the band or not, but let me quote some I have seen mentioned to this group in my years in PA: Gentle Giant, Camel, Caravan, Hatfield & the North, Le Orme, Renaissance, to say the most famous.

PS: I believe I'm not an "old" one. Born in the 70's (1974) but grown in the f##king 80's, when only NWOBHM and thrash bands helped me to survive.

crimson87 wrote: Or you may suggest me some extreme bands that could co-exist with my Symphonic likings

fair enough, Spiral Architect maybe, or Spastic Ink for high X-tech but still melodic

some may say Cynic, but I don't care for them or consider them tech

crimson87 wrote: Im listening to the lastly submitted samples on the archives,  and "to my surprise" I found out that they (mostly)were all metal-based.I listened to almost 40 tracks and I cant see what the fuss is all about.It sounds like straightforward metal to me.Probably they are considered prog becouse they are mostly Scandinavian and they talk about Valhalla or such (no offense) I think that metal has enough merit to be considered as "prog related" but it does not deserve to be a "pure" category.   They are not even Close to Prog´s Edge.

avalanchemaster wrote:   I don't even like manowar,

a false,

The T wrote: crimson87 wrote: Im listening to the lastly submitted samples on the archives,  and "to my surprise" I found out that they (mostly)were all metal-based.I listened to almost 40 tracks and I cant see what the fuss is all about.It sounds like straightforward metal to me.Probably they are considered prog becouse they are mostly Scandinavian and they talk about Valhalla or such (no offense) I think that metal has enough merit to be considered as "prog related" but it does not deserve to be a "pure" category.   They are not even Close to Prog´s Edge.   What band are you talking about Mr. 87? Let me take note so that I can suggest its deletion from the archives after such a deep excellent analytical argument you have given us...   What is that band please?

oh golly! i lol'd so much right now . . . .

Its still alive because people like us keep posting in it.

Im listening to the lastly submitted samples on the archives,  and "to my surprise" I found out that they (mostly)were all metal-based.I listened to almost 40 tracks and I cant see what the fuss is all about.It sounds like straightforward metal to me.Probably they are considered prog becouse they are mostly Scandinavian and they talk about Valhalla or such (no offense)