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Dean
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 20:01 | |||||
Those artists who can afford to buy their own webhosts are not really an issue (as far as this thread topic goes), though those webhosts are only inexpensive while the bandwidth used is low, they will still be outnumbered by all the smaller self-release artists who use the one-click hosts. Small independant single product websites are a "find and retreive" operation - users don't want that - they want a one-stop shop - that is why oligarchies rule the internet.
In the past 20 years we have seen the number of TV channels increase but the actual original content decrease. Bandwidth is increasing but pot of cash to fund it and the revenue to sustain it is not increasing by the same ratio. In the world of TV shows get cancelled because they don't achieve the right Nielsen ratings which means they are not pulling in enough viewers to please the advertisers. The same thing will happen to the Internet, just by a different mechanism and route. There is no reason to advertise something if no one is buying.
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jplanet
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 18:54 | |||||
Why aren't television broadcasts slowing and losing momentum? or telephone conversations? It's all moving over the internet now, even cable television such as FIOS is really just like a web browser behind the scenes - and what differences there are that enables such content to stream without buffering, could be used to deliver music as well, which is far less bandwidth-intensive than video... I also don't believe there is any differentiation between internet phenomena and anything else - newspapers are certainly fizzling out, books, magazines - the internet is rapidly becoming the only means by which people consume media... I'm just trying to understand your points here - the examples you gave are all relatively small websites that try to monetize their services by nagging people with ads, delayed timers and slow bandwidth - but anyone can get cheap storage and bandwidth from any number of inexpensive webhosts...Ultimately cloud computing will derive profits form advertising, just as television always has, but only more effectively due to its ability to target demographics better... |
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Dean
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 18:54 | |||||
Well, since we know his works some 300 years later I would answer yes to that. The recording medium he used was not as volatile - the written manuscripts have survived and the Well-Tempered Clavier is still in print (ISBN-13: 978-1854726544). Also, even though his music (and Baroque in general) went out of favour soon after his death, but less than 50 years later the composers of the Classical period (Mozart, Beethoven, Mendelssohn etc) were all "fans" because his manuscripts were still accessible to them.
This cleansing method would be arbitrary and non-selective and not quite what I had in mind. Having no one is interested in the music does not mean it is poor music, we could lose the world's greatest album of all time by that method simply because the artist was not very good at promoting himself and still praise the most generic piece of rubbish ever produced as being magnificent just because we believed the word-of-mouth hype, much of which was fabricated by payola, fake street teams, spamming and clever marketting.
Wikipedia is unique in that poor articles, plagiarisms and acts of vandalism disappear very quickly because of the way in which the hierarchy of editors work within the system. The method forces a professional approach in the writers and an acceptable quality standard in both how they write and factual accuracy of what they write. Entries get constantly amended, updated and re-written - each wikipedia entry is a work in progress.
... in self-released music you don't get that - the music is presented as a finished work, and is accepted or discarded "as is" - there is no peer review or team of editors correcting and amending it. If some of the album is good and some is bad then that is how it stays.
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stefolof
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 14:33 | |||||
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 11:26 | |||||
^ Yahoo also wiped out Yahoo Blogs, but at least they sent a notice to all users asking them to back up before it happens. Still they suck for doing this.
I somehow missed the Live Prog blog, I'll check it out |
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Dean
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 11:23 | |||||
PS: there is a perverse irony in the fact that since starting this Blog 13 days ago the free webhost I use to "promote" my own amateur self-releases [oxyhost.com] has become increasingly unreliable, to the point where it is currently unusable
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Dean
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 11:07 | |||||
That's more an indictment of stay-at-home fans (and the subject of my previous Blog: Live Prog-rock is Dying)
Like vinyl, glass pressed CDs (and DVDs) are a mechanical format so the data they contain will not degrade, however the aluminium layer that reflects the read-laser is prone to degradation (so called CD rot) if the seal between the acrylic and the aluminium is porous - the predicted lifespan of CD is anything between 10 and 50 years. CDRs are an electronic format - the data is burnt into a dye layer - over time the data will degrade through exposure to light - no one in the data storage business will rate CDR more than 2 years - I'm sure all of us can recount stories of CDs and CDRs that play on one system but not on another, or of CDs that now skip and stick even though there is nothing apparently wrong with them physically. The next hurdle to overcome for CD to last another 26 years is for the transports (ie players) to still be available - has anyone got a 1984 Sony or Philips CD player still in working order? If downloads replace CD in the near future (as is currently predicted) then the player will last a few years after that, but forever? No.
Magnetic media is the best and the worse - tapes and cassettes are notoriously bad because they are very vulnerable to physical damage and suffers from sticky shed syndrome where the tape, glue and oxide start to degrade within a few years. Magnetic discs and tapes are hit worse by obsolescence - I've got music stored on mini disc, DAT and Zip-discs - all of it currently unreadable - I've music source files stored on 5¼", 3½" and 3" floppy discs ... none of those drive formats ship on the latest PCs and MACs (and that's without even mentioning 8" floppies, Bernoulli drives and all the faith IT experts put into backing up onto tape streamers a few years back) - I've already mentioned the planned obsolescence of PATA drives, then there is SCSI - try finding a SCSI IDE card for a PC now (or even USB to SCSI) - so what of SATA in 5 years time, or eSATA. Apple dropped FireWire a few years back, and now the iPad has lost USB - the shape of Apple's to come I think with everything going wireless. PCMCIA is history and the IDE bus is being phased out - it is all well and good having the media and the media transports, but if your computer cannot interface to them then they are as good as lost. Aside from all the 8-track and BetaMax jokes, how many of us have boxes full of VHS tapes and nothing to play them on but a 15 year old VCR? How reliable is your current CD/DVD player? Will that still work in 15 years?
The only way to protect your data is to keep it moving, continually copying it from old media to new media - that is why I said data storage is dynamic - you have to keep refreshing it.
Not just that - remember AOL home pages? Switched off on a corporate whim, wiping out thousands of non-profit making amateur homepages over-night - not just personal websites, but hundreds of small businesses, authors, artists and musicians who were using the "free" resource (that they paid for as part of their monthy fee) to publicise themselves but not earn a penny for Time-Warner-AOL. Anyone still got a GeoCities site? Or a Yahoo site? A Batcave site? You cannot trust third-party hosts to protect or guarantee your precious data - Flicker? PhotoBucket? deviantART? Has anyone got a written guarantee from them that their data will be accessible tomorrow, next week, next year? What of MySpace, LastFM and Facebook? How long will they last before they are superseded by the next big fad? The internet is an alien landscape for us, we like stability, for things to stay where we put them, but the internet isn't like that, it's just not built that way.
...Right, this all sounds a long way from Self-released albums and the woes of small independent artists trying to promote themselves in a sea of similar sounding and similar looking releases, but the complacency is the same - the naïve assumption that the new way is the better way and the future will last forever is building the same house of cards as the old way, but on far shakier ground.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 08:38 | |||||
My view is the perfect opposite: they have a cult following and their album albums are well distributed, still they couldn't fill a club in London (!). That makes them pretty underground to me.
It always was like that, just the speed of the process is indeed higher. From my own experience the CD is the medium with the longest life expectation. My cassettes and vinyls are the best example for me. But if we speak of digital releases...
... then you are very correct and this is a very important issue. I've witnessed the death of much online information due to dead links, unpaid hosting, lack of interest of the initial source. |
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Dean
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 04:41 | |||||
This is why Internet phenomena are short lived, like supernova they burn bright and quickly die.
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stefolof
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 04:36 | |||||
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Dean
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 04:30 | |||||
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stefolof
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 04:27 | |||||
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stefolof
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 04:26 | |||||
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 04:10 | |||||
I hear you, plus musicians - like writers, painters - are notoriously bad businesspeople (myself included) and seem content if their music is owned by anyone, let alone if they were paid for it Edited by Atavachron - February 12 2010 at 04:11 |
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stefolof
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 04:07 | |||||
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Dean
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 04:06 | |||||
If an album gets forgotten it will disappear 10 times quicker in electronic form than ever it did in hard-copy. When a file can be deleted irrevocably at the click of mouse, or by a malicious virus, or simply by a hardware failure, or by an OS crash that's one thing, but when finding or recovering that data relies on something as tenuous as the Internet then it becomes even more ephemeral since the data is only as permanent as the server it is stored on and the links to it.
The Internet is that transient. If M@X decides tomorrow that the PA is a waste of his time and money and switches it off, then it will be gone - sayonara - goodnight Vienna - so long and thanks for the fish - Elvis has left the building - there is no mirror, no backup, no hard-copy (and don't rely on the WayBackMachine to recover your lost album reviews).
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stefolof
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 03:53 | |||||
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halabalushindigus
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 03:42 | |||||
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assume the power 1586/14.3 |
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Dean
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 03:38 | |||||
I'm a natural pessimist so a bad flip-chart is never going to convince me of anything. Word-of-mouth perpetuated the success of Part The Second, but it did not start it - without the initial impetus given by their prior history and Toby Driver's (cult) status that word of mouth would not have propagated far. If KD only drew 100 people at their London gig then that was result of venue size rather than low popularity - Blue Lambency Downward was available in every HMV I looked in when it was released.
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halabalushindigus
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 03:32 | |||||
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I agree. Saving up your money to buy a piece of music means that music is special. It wouln't be the same if it were offered for free. The musical value equals the dollar sentiment
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assume the power 1586/14.3 |
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