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Lindsay Lohan 
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 Posted: September 13 2005 at 06:37 |
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Anyway i actually recommend to convert the stuff from your cd's to 192kb-256kb mp3 files, the average pc-speakers themselves are not good enough to deserve high quality streaming and it is alot less irritating that listening to music from the cd itself
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 06:33 |
 cobb wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
I don't drive...i prefer to travel with music.
You can have a very good system for 2000 dollars.
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The music components of my computer system are a trivial $600. I would
need to pay at least 5 times as much to get a comparable hifi system.
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For 1000 dollars, you get a whole system 10X better
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 06:31 |
Snow Dog wrote:
One day I'll read all this and really absorb it!
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don't get ill because of us!
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cobb
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 06:28 |
maidenrulez wrote:
That is simply just so you can play music directly from the cd-rom
as you might have seen on some cd-roms there are buttons for both
selcting song and play/pause. This means that you dont need a music
program like wmp to play the music you can play it directly from the
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You are correct maidenrulez- I'll remove myself to the digitally unsavvy room as well
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 06:16 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^^ that's not a good way to listen to music on the PC: It really produces jitterish analog audio which is then converted to digital on the soundcard and later on converted from digital to audio ... so basically a copy of a copy of a jitterish signal. |
Yup it is not a very PREFERABLE way to listen to music and personally i have never done so, but thats whats its for anyway
Edit: And also if you listen to a cd WHILE the harddrive is working then it will also produce noise and jitter...that is why i hate to listen to CD,s on my PC
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 06:14 |
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^^ that's not a good way to listen to music on the PC: It really produces jitterish analog audio which is then converted to digital on the soundcard and later on converted from digital to audio ... so basically a copy of a copy of a jitterish signal.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 06:06 |
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Huh, maidenrulez. I thought there was a cable that went directly from the cd rom to the soundcard- wonder what that's for. Maybe the digital code from the cd is going straight to the soundcard. Perhaps the soundcard needs the PCI bus to get a little attention from the CPU to get into the execute cycle so that your software player will run |
That is simply just so you can play music directly from the cd-rom as you might have seen on some cd-roms there are buttons for both selcting song and play/pause. This means that you dont need a music program like wmp to play the music you can play it directly from the cd-rom
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 06:00 |
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Huh, maidenrulez. I thought there was a cable that went directly from
the cd rom to the soundcard- wonder what that's for. Maybe the digital
code from the cd is going straight to the soundcard. Perhaps the
soundcard needs the PCI bus to get a little attention from the CPU to
get into the execute cycle so that your software player will run
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 05:57 |
One day I'll read all this and really absorb it!
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 05:49 |
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There has even been sound card with TUBES on...regardless of how much money you spend on your soundcard it will not sound right as the PCI-INTERFACE in wich the soundcards are put is not designed for optimal sound performance at all
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 05:47 |
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Each component has to be "musical", which means hours of listening tests. |
Wheras what should be happening is the component should be designed to playback what's on the medium as accurately as possible, and leave the "musicality" to the people recording it at the other end.
If there are only tube amps and transistor amps (and I may be wrong on that), how do you know that tubes are better if you only have transistors to compare it to? Maybe transistors are better and you just like the sound that's less like the original? How can you prove any different?
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cobb
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 05:44 |
oliverstoned wrote:
A good hifi device is studied in all aspects to
provide good sound. Each component has to be "musical", which means
hours of listening tests.
Each part has to have his dedicated power alimentation.
A computer is not designed for sound, it generates a lot of electric pollution.
Many reasons for why a computer can't be a good source. |
You are not digitaly savvy, are you oliver. The designers of high end
soundcards know this and go to a lot of trouble to remove this
'pollution'.
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cobb
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 05:41 |
oliverstoned wrote:
I don't drive...i prefer to travel with music.
You can have a very good system for 2000 dollars.
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The music components of my computer system are a trivial $600. I would
need to pay at least 5 times as much to get a comparable hifi system.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 05:38 |
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A good hifi device is studied in all aspects to provide good sound. Each component has to be "musical", which means hours of listening tests.
Each part has to have his dedicated power alimentation.
A computer is not designed for sound, it generates a lot of electric pollution.
Many reasons for why a computer can't be a good source.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 05:24 |
Hmm i actually uses the Nautilus 805 for pc speakers...with the best soundblaster soundcard tho...anyways even with the best soundcard in the world coupled with the best pc speakers in the world could not even get remotely close to some of the best Hi-fi stuff
If i play the cd on my pc with the same amp and same speakers...(Using high quality cables between soundcard and amp) then i can not get the same quality of sound as if i where to get if i played it on my THULE-DVD player...
The problems lies both in the soundcard and the cd-rom of the pc basically...
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 05:18 |
^ this question:
oliverstoned wrote:
| Anyway, your theories are maybe perfect, but ther must be something else cause reality doesn't match with it. | | |
How can you know that listening to CDs on the computer the way I described it doesn't work if you have never tried? I showed that there's no jitter, the digital signal gets to the amplifier unchanged ...
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 05:12 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
Anyway, your theories are maybe perfect, but ther must be something else cause reality doesn't match with it. |
How can you know if you have never tried?
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The same for you: computer burned cd versus good murder copy |
You're a hopeless case, oliver ... you're really pathetic.
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT CD VS. BURNED COPY HERE.
Stop avoiding answering my questions please. |
It's the same issue.
Which questions?
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 05:03 |
cobb wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ oliver, that's not fair. The Logitech speakers are priced at about $100 in total, and I'm sure that these magnat speakers cost about $1000 ...
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I looked it up. The sub was 900 pounds on its own.
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 I suspected something like that ...
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 05:02 |
cobb wrote:
Oliver can dream of systems that cost the price of a new car. I'll
remain perfectly happy with my system that totals about $2000,
including the price of the computer.
[edit] oliver- try posting the thumbnail images of products from sites,
not full blown images. You keep f*cking up the page width. We ain't
blind.
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I don't drive...i prefer to travel with music.
You can have a very good system for 2000 dollars.
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cobb
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 04:31 |
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Oliver can dream of systems that cost the price of a new car. I'll
remain perfectly happy with my system that totals about $2000,
including the price of the computer.
[edit] oliver- try posting the thumbnail images of products from sites,
not full blown images. You keep f*cking up the page width. We ain't
blind.
Edited by cobb
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