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Posted: August 29 2007 at 11:37 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
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About Hold Your Fire, I myself like it but I think it was a bit too long. Let's keep in mind it was their first album made for the CD format, and they had to put out 2 more songs than they usually did (the previous three albums all had 8 songs, HYF had ten). I think the album would have been better received without Tai Shan and High Water. The rest is almost as good as Power Windows. In fact, apart from the two songs I mentioned, I love every song on this album. And even if Force Ten was a single, it's the song that rocked the most on HYF. |
OUCH! I love the beat for High Water. I learned that beat because I thought it was one of Neil's best patterns. Tai Shan, well, maybe a little cheesy for me, but I look at Rush as being exploratory. One thing that I love about the song are the string bends on the Synth.
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Not sure why this disc always gets lambasted. I think the production is spot on and the music is very sturdy. Maybe not as strong as it's predecessor, but enjoy it immensely. Love Lifeson's solo on "Mission". E
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Posted: August 29 2007 at 10:17 |
Love this thread ; it's one of the few threads where we can have different opinions about something yet nobody loses their temper or starts insulting one another... Exactly the way these forums ought to be ! Cheers to you all !!!
I'd like to know your opinions on Victor (Lifeson's solo effort) and Geddy Lee's Favorite Headache. Personally I love them both. I think Geddy's choice of musicians (Soundgarden's Matt Cameron on drums and Ben Mink on guitars, violin and songwriting) was excellent, and he also wrot some great lyrics ; I wouldn't mind him writing a few for Rush.
Victor's album was very good. Some interesting experimentations in there, great songwriting and musical execution from everyone involved. Dalbello's voice in "Start Today" amazes me every time I hear it.
Actually, I wouldn't mind if they decided to throw one song from each of these two albums in Rush's live set. Because, let's face it, some of these songs (or maybe riffs) would have been on a Rush album had nothing happened to Neil during this time. My choices ? My Favorite Headache from Geddy's album and Promise from Victor.
What about you ?
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Posted: August 28 2007 at 23:41 |
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I'll accept the bashing of Roll the Bones because that is probably their weakest album, but leave T4E alone. The only song I cant stand off the album is Dog Years, its right up there with I Think Im Going Bald. (The 2 rush songs I actually hate.) |
Need I name other awful songs from T4E ? Like... Totem ? Carve Away the Stone ? The Color of Right ? Virtuality (nice verse, awful chorus) ? In my opinion it may even surpass Roll the Bones as Rush's worst album. I expected so much of this album after Counterparts, and this was what we got. And to think it came this close to being their last album... |
Ummm i suggest you re-listen to Totem and Carve Away the Stone; they're both solid Rush songs musically and lyrically. As for your ill comment about Virtuality; I agree the lyrics are a bit obscure ( about people meeting over the internet ) however the instruments are outstanding; listen from 2:55 to 3:16, around this time is when the musical aspect of the song is the best, especially the bass. Once again I dont really like the lyrics, but the musicianship is perfect ( as are most, if not all Rush songs)
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Posted: August 28 2007 at 18:11 |
I totally agree as well. I wish this album could be "repaired". I've messed with EQ'ing the music myself to bring up the bottom. But worse, the highs, especially Alex's acoustic, really bother me. Nothing can remedy this. I fault Rupert Hine, but maybe it's not his doing. He is also behind RTB.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 28 2007 at 18:08 |
Melomaniac wrote:
About Hold Your Fire, I myself like it but I think it was a bit too long. Let's keep in mind it was their first album made for the CD format, and they had to put out 2 more songs than they usually did (the previous three albums all had 8 songs, HYF had ten). I think the album would have been better received without Tai Shan and High Water. The rest is almost as good as Power Windows. In fact, apart from the two songs I mentioned, I love every song on this album. And even if Force Ten was a single, it's the song that rocked the most on HYF. |
OUCH! I love the beat for High Water. I learned that beat because I thought it was one of Neil's best patterns. Tai Shan, well, maybe a little cheesy for me, but I look at Rush as being exploratory. One thing that I love about the song are the string bends on the Synth.
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Posted: August 28 2007 at 16:21 |
zachfive wrote:
I'll accept the bashing of Roll the Bones because that is probably their weakest album, but leave T4E alone. The only song I cant stand off the album is Dog Years, its right up there with I Think Im Going Bald. (The 2 rush songs I actually hate.) |
Personally, I really like both albums, Roll the Bones and Test 4 Echo, but again, Rush has really never disappointed me.
In regards to "I Think I'm Going Bald" I always get a kick out of this song. It showed Neil and Rush had a sense of humor. Although that song was from the 70's, during the 90's and 00's Neil has always wore doo-rags or hats and there were rumors that he had cancer and that he was going bald. I am also quite surprised that Rogaine has never picked up on this song as an advertising gimmick.
P.S. 3 hours and 15 minutes until show time.
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Melomaniac
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Posted: August 28 2007 at 15:28 |
zachfive wrote:
I'll accept the bashing of Roll the Bones because that is probably their weakest album, but leave T4E alone. The only song I cant stand off the album is Dog Years, its right up there with I Think Im Going Bald. (The 2 rush songs I actually hate.) |
Need I name other awful songs from T4E ? Like... Totem ? Carve Away the Stone ? The Color of Right ? Virtuality (nice verse, awful chorus) ? In my opinion it may even surpass Roll the Bones as Rush's worst album. I expected so much of this album after Counterparts, and this was what we got. And to think it came this close to being their last album...
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Posted: August 28 2007 at 15:22 |
I'll accept the bashing of Roll the Bones because that is probably their weakest album, but leave T4E alone. The only song I cant stand off the album is Dog Years, its right up there with I Think Im Going Bald. (The 2 rush songs I actually hate.)
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Posted: August 28 2007 at 15:07 |
Same thing about Roll The Bones, except it was less inspired. Roll the Bones is my least favorite Rush along with Test for Echo.
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Posted: August 28 2007 at 14:59 |
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Production wise, my only complaint about this album is the lack of bottom. Some songs should've sounded a lot more powerful than they have. |
We are again in agreement!
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Posted: August 28 2007 at 14:53 |
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"I think the album would have been better received without Tai Shan and High Water."
I love both these songs, however I do agree with you that it was too long, but I would drop the mainstream songs Time Stand Still and Force Ten.
Also I failed to acknowledge the brilliance of Presto. Anagram, Scars, War Paint, Superconductor, Chain Lighting, and Show Don't Tell (Geddy's Bass work on this song is amazing!) are all fabulous songs, if not lyrically then musically and vice versa.
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I LOVE Presto, save for 2 songs (again) : Hand Over Fist and Anagram. Show Don't Tell (amazing song and bass solo), Chain Lightning, The Pass (WAY better than Bravado), War Paint, Scars (amazing drums), Presto (love that acoustic), Red Tide (reminiscent of their Power Windows days) and Available Light (a very surprising yet wonderful song). Production wise, my only complaint about this album is the lack of bottom. Some songs should've sounded a lot more powerful than they have.
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Posted: August 28 2007 at 14:49 |
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No love for Lock & Key ?
That's a great song too. I was listing the ones that stood out in particular for me.
And even if Force Ten was a single, it's the song that rocked the most on HYF.
No doubt. It was the opener for my first Rush show, and I think it rocked even more live.
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Posted: August 28 2007 at 14:46 |
zachfive wrote:
"I think the album would have been better received without Tai Shan and High Water."
I love both these songs, however I do agree with you that it was too long, but I would drop the mainstream songs Time Stand Still and Force Ten.
Also I failed to acknowledge the brilliance of Presto. Anagram, Scars, War Paint, Superconductor, Chain Lighting, and Show Don't Tell (Geddy's Bass work on this song is amazing!) are all fabulous songs, if not lyrically then musically and vice versa.
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Yes, although my favorite on Presto is "The Pass".
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Posted: August 28 2007 at 14:42 |
"I think the album would have been better received without Tai Shan and High Water."
I love both these songs, however I do agree with you that it was too long, but I would drop the mainstream songs Time Stand Still and Force Ten. Also I failed to acknowledge the brilliance of Presto. Anagram, Scars, War Paint, Superconductor, Chain Lighting, and Show Don't Tell (Geddy's Bass work on this song is amazing!) are all fabulous songs, if not lyrically then musically and vice versa.
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Posted: August 28 2007 at 14:25 |
NaturalScience wrote:
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I use to be like so many of you, only liking the "old Rush" ( the 70's) That was true until I fell in love with Hold Your Fire, in my opinion there is not a bad song on this album. |
That album usually gets a lot of flak, but there are some really outstanding songs on there, particularly once you get past the two "hits", Force Ten and Time Stand Still, which are in my opinion good but not great. Open Secrets, Mission, Turn the Page...I've always thought these were fantastic songs.
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No love for Lock & Key ?
It was the first Rush song I heard when the video came out and made me want to investigate.
About Hold Your Fire, I myself like it but I think it was a bit too long. Let's keep in mind it was their first album made for the CD format, and they had to put out 2 more songs than they usually did (the previous three albums all had 8 songs, HYF had ten). I think the album would have been better received without Tai Shan and High Water. The rest is almost as good as Power Windows. In fact, apart from the two songs I mentioned, I love every song on this album. And even if Force Ten was a single, it's the song that rocked the most on HYF.
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Posted: August 28 2007 at 14:13 |
zachfive wrote:
I use to be like so many of you, only liking the "old Rush" ( the 70's) That was true until I fell in love with Hold Your Fire, in my opinion there is not a bad song on this album. |
That album usually gets a lot of flak, but there are some really outstanding songs on there, particularly once you get past the two "hits", Force Ten and Time Stand Still, which are in my opinion good but not great. Open Secrets, Mission, Turn the Page...I've always thought these were fantastic songs.
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Posted: August 28 2007 at 14:11 |
zachfive wrote:
I use to be like so many of you, only liking the "old Rush" ( the 70's) That was true until I fell in love with Hold Your Fire, in my opinion there is not a bad song on this album. After that, I made myself listen to all their "newer" stuff and now, I actually prefer it over their older music. My favorite albums are Power Windows(territories/Manhattan project), Hold Your Fire(prime mover/high water), Test for Echo(totem/time and motion), and Grace Under Pressure(enemy within/body electric). I guess I just love anything those three brilliant b*****ds create.
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You are in good company!
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zachfive
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Posted: August 28 2007 at 14:04 |
I use to be like so many of you, only liking the "old Rush" ( the 70's) That was true until I fell in love with Hold Your Fire, in my opinion there is not a bad song on this album. After that, I made myself listen to all their "newer" stuff and now, I actually prefer it over their older music. My favorite albums are Power Windows(territories/Manhattan project), Hold Your Fire(prime mover/high water), Test for Echo(totem/time and motion), and Grace Under Pressure(enemy within/body electric). I guess I just love anything those three brilliant b*****ds create.
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Melomaniac
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Posted: August 28 2007 at 12:25 |
NaturalScience wrote:
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Ok, here is something : which more obscure (meaning they never or almost never played it live and does not figure on any compilation) Rush song is your favorite ?
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"Grand Designs" from Power Windows.
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LOVE that song !
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Posted: August 28 2007 at 12:12 |
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8 hours until showtime and I am rocking out to the R30 bonus CDs. Oh yeah, it is going to be a great show tonight. |
Hope you have a blast !
I'll be seeing them on Saturday September 15th here in Montreal, right after Genesis (September 14th). What a week-end I'll be having !  |
That will be a great weekend!!!
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