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MustardSea 
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 Posted: April 07 2013 at 06:25 |
 BarryGlibb wrote:
Don't look now guys and gals.
But he's at it again.
Tubes has just given Octopus a 1 star rating and written a review almost as long as "War and Peace" to justify the rating.
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Just saw it.. He may have written a lot to justify his opinion but it just comes across as him hating Gentle Giant with a vengeance and therefore giving them 1* ratings. Very strange. I mean - he's criticising the band because they took inspiration from a book for a song, is complaining about "prog cliché piano" or the record "sounding very '70s" when this was released in 1972, then throws in some bit about some 14th century music to justify that "Knots" isn't groundbreaking and therefore bad but at the same time doesn't seem to mind that "Close To The Edge" by Yes is set up like a sonata AND takes inspiration from Siddharta.. It seems a bit silly to me..
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: April 07 2013 at 06:22 |
^^^ He's missing out then I'm not that big on Octopus but I am big on the Giant though 
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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BarryGlibb
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Posted: April 07 2013 at 06:18 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
^^ Is he insulting the band themselves
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Not really, he just hates Free Hand and Octopus so much that he has to give them 1 star each. i.e. both albums apparently have no redeeming features whatsoever. Which I suppose is his prerogative.
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: April 07 2013 at 05:57 |
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^^ Is he insulting the band themselves
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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BarryGlibb
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Posted: April 07 2013 at 05:56 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
^^^ Has he given in-depth analysis of what he doesn't like about them
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"In depth" is an understatement. Please read here for Tubes' Octopus review: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=940413
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: April 07 2013 at 05:50 |
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^^^ Has he given in-depth analysis of what he doesn't like about them
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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BarryGlibb
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Posted: April 07 2013 at 05:49 |
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The story so far:
Tubes
2 reviews only....both Gentle Giant classics...both 1 star each.
Looking forward to his reviews of GG's entire catalog (no doubt "Giant For A Day" will get 5 big ones!).
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dennismoore
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Posted: April 07 2013 at 05:42 |
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As to the 13 votes that say Free Hand is a 1 star recording:
In the coming decades when genetic science will allow mankind to eradicate inferior traits from the genome...
We now have the subjects to eliminate the "stupidity" gene.
This may seem harsh, but this is more than a simple case of opinion, it is reviewer incompetence. Example, I am not very keen on metal or singers that scream & growl, so I would certainly trash them in a review as that stuff truly causes me discomfort. So the answer is: Don't review the stuff that you really don't like. It is pointless. If you guys still don't get my point, think of it this way:
Gentle Giant - Free Hand
YES - CTTE
ELP - Brain Salad Surgery
Pink Floyd - DSOTM
Yes, you can find people that speak negatively about these recordings(in fact here at PA) yet that would be a complete waste of time since the above recordings are genre leading masterpieces of prog.
So I do think the reviewer was at best, ill-advised to lampoon Free Hand. His time telling us about music would have been better served writing about music that he was more qualified to speak of.
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"Yeah, people are unhappy about that - but you know what, it's still Yes." - Chris Squire
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: April 07 2013 at 05:32 |
Listen guys, I'm defending or attacking Tubes but either he doesn't like GG at all or he'll come around soon
Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - April 07 2013 at 05:35
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Atavachron
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Posted: April 07 2013 at 05:16 |
BarryGlibb wrote:
Don't look now guys and gals. |
That may be the best thing to do, actually. At this point he seems to be just trying to make a stir.. or worse; a point.
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BarryGlibb
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Posted: April 07 2013 at 05:04 |
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Don't look now guys and gals.
But he's at it again.
Tubes has just given Octopus a 1 star rating and written a review almost as long as "War and Peace" to justify the rating.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: April 03 2013 at 23:29 |
^ [sigh] ... 15 posts and an attitude problem spells "newbie". And again, this isn't about winning or losing.
Larree wrote:
^ Yeah. Music isn't football.  |
You said it, bud!
Edited by Dayvenkirq - April 03 2013 at 23:31
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Larree
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Posted: April 03 2013 at 23:18 |
^ Yeah. Music isn't football. 
Edited by Larree - April 03 2013 at 23:18
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: April 03 2013 at 23:15 |
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^ This is not about winning or losing. The bottom line is: go easy on everyone.
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Tubes
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Posted: April 03 2013 at 23:13 |
@DAyvenkirq Like you said yourself, "Over-reaction is how we play the game." And I think I'm winning. To ironically quote a Gentle Giant song:
I'm the king in fighting competitionand the other piecesare there for my art and my tactics now.All my games are won before they're played forI have planned that no opposition can stage a fightI'll play the game and never ever lose.
To quote a GOOD song:
YOUR MOVE
Edited by Tubes - April 03 2013 at 23:15
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: April 03 2013 at 22:35 |
Tubes wrote:
@Manuel Listen man: Having a picture of yourself playing as your avatar doesn't entitle you to presume that I have no affinity for playing musical instruments and writing original music.* I do for both, you could say, but I'm not formally trained. |
Tubes wrote:
@Snow Dog, that's fine, but you'll not receive my respect in return for the 'favor'. By the way, you might feel more inclined to restrain your enthusiasm for certain albums, if you would take care of what I'll guess is an unfortunate cocaine problem, SNOW Dog. I can be funny when I want. |
Try to go easy on people - they are capable of making mistakes, big and small. You can highlight their mistakes in a very simple and orderly fashion instead of trumping them with an untactful choice of words like "listen, man" ... let alone the stuff you said to Ian. So Mani made a little mistake. So what? Over-reaction isn't how we play the game.
This is supposed to be a friendly community, and it's not just the job of admins and moderators to keep it that way. I highly encourage everyone else, be that a forum senior member or a newbie-boobie (  ) to do the same.
Anyway, back to the brass tax: ... I think what Mani was trying to say here is that you, Tubes, did not write the material for Free Hand. GG did. They of all people have an idea of how their music works; certain little things may not be as obvious to you. Maybe the writer had a polyrhythm in his head while listening to his song, thinking that the song sounds very clever, but he forgot to put that polyrhythm into the song. Or maybe he thought that putting it in would be too much. I don't know how to deliver it to you in a clearer and more concise manner. "It's all in the eye of the beholder" ... or what's that saying?
Edited by Dayvenkirq - April 03 2013 at 22:46
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Larree
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Posted: April 03 2013 at 22:06 |
I'm listening to Free Hand right now. Haven't listened to it for years. Lovin' it!
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Tubes
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Posted: April 03 2013 at 21:59 |
And you know what, folks? One fifth as many members as participated in the poll thus far agree that Gentle Giant's Free Hand IS a 1  album! Not such a lunatic, now, am I?
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Tubes
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Posted: April 03 2013 at 21:43 |
@Manuel Listen man: Having a picture of yourself playing as your avatar doesn't entitle you to presume that I have no affinity for playing musical instruments and writing original music. I do for both, you could say, but I'm not formally trained. @dr wu23 Thank you for attributing cleverness to me! - But I'm not that smart. And about your accusation of, "thinly veiled arrogance": that's not intentional. Besides, I should remind you to let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.
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dr wu23
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Posted: April 03 2013 at 20:40 |
lucas wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
IJust an observation; but it seems to me some people who are clever often like to show that they are and write provocative reviews, articles, blogs , etc to perhaps get a reaction. Just saying.......... |
if you read the arguments of the author of the 1 star review, this is clearly a different case. He wrote what he feels about that album, nothing more. One shouldn't be influenced by other reviews when he/she writes his/her own review, otherwise the review is biased. The guy had the courage to go against the mainstream and we should salute him for that. I even wonder if it is not the only "objective" review of this album...
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Oh I read it and perhaps we are reading a different review....imho it has an undertone of thinly veiled arrogance.
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Free Hand - a 1* album
