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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2005 at 12:59
for begining I agree with BaldFriede. "Bands like Genesis and Yes indeed had turned into dinosaurs, and it is no wonder that the rise of punk coincided with the creative decline of Genesis, Yes, ELP and other bands. And there was a creative decline! They had sold out."

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Most of you people are wrong. The fact is that you do not understand PUNK movement, as punks does not understand PROG movement. It is basicaly the same. True PUNK and PROG (Dead Kennedys(NOT Sex Pistols), GBH, The CLASH(NOT NO-FX, or some other pop-punk), Early Yes, Genesis, Rush...)contradict to pop music, punk with its atitute (PUNK is not music, its just muvement), prog with its music.

This guy, who wrote that article, he did't ctritisize the prog music, he critisized some of prog artists and their thinking. For examle The Beatles (or Metallica nowadays), who were making their albums to earn lots of money. That pisses him off.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2005 at 12:21

Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

At worse whimsical and lyrically embarrassing.. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds....wow LSD. They were clever boys to write that !

 

Well... the person who wrote this didn't knew much, I found incorrect information in all the discriptions of the bands above though this one about the Beatles I thought everyone knew... right away I saw it I laughed like a madman.

The lyrics is crazy though it had absolutely nothing to do with LSD at all.

Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds was a picture drawn by Julian Lennon and when John asked him what it was Julian said: Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds.

Then John made a song out of it... I don't think little Julian had LSD on his mind, I've seen the picture too... looks like a flying woman surrounded by stars...

 

Can also say that www.allmusic.com often is wrong with band information, saw the info of how Iron Butterfly came up with the title: In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida and they're so wrong on that side... though this song is about LSD and tripping... though everyone knew this.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2005 at 11:15

Here's what so many people who listen to punk need to know:  Without the Who, we'd probably never have punk in the 1st place.  They were the 1st punk band, period.  And yet the author knocks them.  Yeah, they did create the concept album, but they didn't "kill" the 3 minute pop song.  Most of their catalog has a few longer songs, but most stay in the 3-4 minute range. I hate that all these people who call the Who pretensious.

And since when were the Doors not considered "decadent".  Morrison thought he was Dyonisis!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2005 at 11:02

nevermind this post.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2005 at 10:54
It's the same old silly argument focusing on the same narrow views of prog. I couldn't care less - if he doesn't want to listen to prog then that's his problem. I shan't be listening to mainstream punk any time soon.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2005 at 10:54

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Some metalhead forums are absolutely atrocious...  I do have to agree with that.  But you can't generalize that...  there are a lot of extremely intelligent metalheads.

agreed, i guess that wouldnt be any more rational than that jerk i quoted on the first post who basicly classifies all prog fans as losers.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2005 at 10:51
Some metalhead forums are absolutely atrocious...  I do have to agree with that.  But you can't generalize that...  there are a lot of extremely intelligent metalheads.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2005 at 10:48

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

I would have to disagree.  Maybe I know the wrong group of metalheads...  I post on another forum, where metal is the main topic (instead of prog), and while metal is the most-discussed music there, among the regulars, we talk about everything we're into, be it prog, punk, pop, indie, or otherwise, and anyone who balks at the non-metal discussion gets a dirty look.  We love our metal there, but we can recognize when it's a bit silly, and have no problem takin' the piss.

i guess it depends on the enviorment, i used to post on other forums where metalheads were the most abrasive...so much that a lot of people got fed up and left for other forums.(including me)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2005 at 10:37
I would have to disagree.  Maybe I know the wrong group of metalheads...  I post on another forum, where metal is the main topic (instead of prog), and while metal is the most-discussed music there, among the regulars, we talk about everything we're into, be it prog, punk, pop, indie, or otherwise, and anyone who balks at the non-metal discussion gets a dirty look.  We love our metal there, but we can recognize when it's a bit silly, and have no problem takin' the piss.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2005 at 10:33
Originally posted by Rattail Rattail wrote:

Others just feel they are superior to everyone else.

no offense to any metal fans here, but metalheads seem to have that kind of attitude the most.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2005 at 10:30

I didn't read that much of the article above, but there is something I would like to say. Not all punks hate prog. I happen to be a fan of both genres of music. I grew up listening to nothing but underground punk music and in recent years, some friends have gotten me into progressive rock.

I just wanted to say that not all punks are like this. Yes, some are arrogant, ignorant a-holes, but quite a few others are actually well mannered, very smart people that are openminded to other genres of music. Others just feel they are superior to everyone else (and some prog fans can be like this too).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2005 at 10:10
Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

 

Jethro Tull. Even the most hardened nostalgic will wince at memories of Jethro Tull. They started out as a blues group but quickly developed a taste for the theatrical and portentous at which point the groups megalomaniac leader started dressing up in riding breeches, hair like catweazle, sporting cod pieces standing on one leg while puffing into a flute and conducting the group through the hard labors of pieces like Thick As A Brick Aqualung and Passion Play. What these were all about was anyone's guess. A mystery to me.

Ian Anderson addressed this kind of feedback years ago...

"Brain-storming, habit-forming, battle-warning weary winsome actor spewing spineless
chilling lines.
The critics falling over to tell themselves he's boring and really not an awful lot of fun.
Well who the hell can he be when he's never had V.D., and he doesn't even sit on
toilet seats?
Court-jesting, never-resting he must be very cunning to assume an air of dignity and
bless us all with his oratory prowess,
his lame-brained antics and his jumping in the air.
And every night his act's the same and so it must be all a game of chess he's playing,
but you're wrong, Steve. You see, it's only solitaire." - from Solitaire
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2005 at 09:43
And Progs hate punk
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2005 at 09:34

It's obvious the author cannot handle prog's greatness. He feels alone, insecure and ashamed at the fact that he cannot comprehened a mere 6 (count it, six) minute song. So naturally, he will attack it.

Poor guy.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2005 at 09:30
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

It may be biased, but then everyone is biased according to one's musical tastes. And there is a lot of truth in what is written on this site (I browsed through it a little). Bands like Genesis and Yes indeed had turned into dinosaurs, and it is no wonder that the rise of punk coincided with the creative decline of Genesis, Yes, ELP and other bands. And there was a creative decline! They had sold out. Punk was a necessary and vital transfusion of blood into rock music, and some bands picked up a lot of influences from it.Of course they exaggerate a lot, and I wouldn't be in here if I didn't like those "dinosaurs". But as much as I like a musical style I try to keep an open mind, and the criticism of prog rock of the late 70s is more than justified.Ironically though punk fell into the same trap. The music industry quickly turned the revolt into "business as usual" with a capital "B".



I totally agree with you Baldfriede. Cheers on that
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2005 at 09:08

Like what was stated above, he certainly seems to know much about prog. A student doing research on something he loathes? I doubt it. My guess, from the reading, is that this guy was a prog fan at one time as well and got disillusioned with the whole movement when the bigger bands started to commercialize a bit. Then he saw the light and became part of the punk movement.

I will give him credit, though. He wrote a cohesive, articulate article. Most punkers I know have difficulty spelling their names. More proof that he was a product of the prog era who became disillusioned with his heroes.

Also, as Baldfriede stated above. Punk became the beast that he loathes. Funny that he doesn't notice that. Perhaps he has gotten too old to see the truth about a genre of music that has become far more big business than prog ever was. Afterall, music is for the youth....his words.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2005 at 09:07
Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

Funny thing is, the writer keeps talking about pop-music, and how Prog altered the pop-music world, so i can only guess he thinks punk = pop.

 

I think Sid vicious is turning in his grave over this.

its pretty hypocritical when this guy calls prog crappy comercial music(which it isnt) and prog bands sellouts and yet, punk bands have made much more pop songs and chart topping hits than any prog band, and when was the last time you heard a camel or gong song on a tv comercial?, never...but you hear songs by joan jett, the ramones and the clash in tv comercials all the time.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2005 at 08:55

Funny thing is, the writer keeps talking about pop-music, and how Prog altered the pop-music world, so i can only guess he thinks punk = pop.

 

I think Sid vicious is turning in his grave over this.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2005 at 08:40

 

  Well he seems to know a lot about prog for someone who doesn't like it. I suspect he has aquired more than a few prog recordings and had more than a few listens. So if he really dislikes it as much as he claims why has he spent so much time listening to it.

 Whatever you do you can be criticised and so it is with prog. You can try to be creative and someone derides you for being pretentious.

 His point seems to be that he loves the anti establishment side of punk and hates the selling out of guys like Mclaren and co. But remember that hating is the other side of the coin to loving so those who really hate the establishment secretly long to be part of it. See Mick Jagger getting his knighthood with a huge grin from ear to ear and his dad saying he was always a good boy, no trouble at all.

 So what you have is quite a narrow minded person who thinks that rock and roll should only be a certain way and anyone who does it differently stinks. The logic in the writing is very poor.It is not at all objective so doesn't merit as much response as I have alredy given it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2005 at 08:38
I like NO-FX, that's about as much Punk as I can stand ...
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