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The T 
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 Posted: February 28 2011 at 12:40 |
 Snow Dog wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
Nope, panhandling is illegal, and giving money to panhandlers only encourages more panhandling.
People make choices throughout their lives, and if those choices made them homeless and living on the streets, then that is their problem. They could have stayed in school, paid more attention in class, not chosen to start drinking, smoking, drugs, got a real job instead of become a musician, etc......... |
A huge percentage of homeless people are suffering from some form of mental illness. |
Yep....that meths sure screws up the brain. |
But also, a screwed brain seeks substances for relief...
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The T
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 12:39 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
The T wrote:
Yes, taxes go to the homeless people...... No question about it. |
Yup they get that big fat welfare check in the mail. In the mailbox at their house, which they totally have.
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Amazing how the people who would need welfare the most are those who won't get it because they can't put any address and information in the government's database...
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Snow Dog
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 12:39 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
Nope, panhandling is illegal, and giving money to panhandlers only encourages more panhandling.
People make choices throughout their lives, and if those choices made them homeless and living on the streets, then that is their problem. They could have stayed in school, paid more attention in class, not chosen to start drinking, smoking, drugs, got a real job instead of become a musician, etc......... |
A huge percentage of homeless people are suffering from some form of mental illness. |
Yep....that meths sure screws up the brain.
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timothy leary
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 12:38 |
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Because it is easy to attach a mailbox to cardboard
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Snow Dog
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 12:37 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Summary: It's not my fault or my problem so I don't worry about it.
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That could be my mantra.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 12:36 |
The T wrote:
Yes, taxes go to the homeless people...... No question about it. |
Yup they get that big fat welfare check in the mail. In the mailbox at their house, which they totally have.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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timothy leary
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 12:36 |
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The government have compassion for you, if there was ever a more uncompassionate agency I want to see it, your reasons for not giving money to the homeless are all rationalizations
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 12:36 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
Nope, panhandling is illegal, and giving money to panhandlers only encourages more panhandling.
People make choices throughout their lives, and if those choices made them homeless and living on the streets, then that is their problem. They could have stayed in school, paid more attention in class, not chosen to start drinking, smoking, drugs, got a real job instead of become a musician, etc......... |
Yes they could have been perfect and not made mistakes. But since they did, be damned with giving them a second chance or having them live out their final days with something resembling humanity.
Or maybe they were born into poverty with no options for growth, or maybe they were born with a chemical imbalance which reduces their heads to mush, or maybe they came back so damaged from a war we shipped them off to fight that they can't reintegrate.
I'm glad you've worked all of this out and laid down your judgment.
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1. That is why I pay thousands of dollars a year to my government so that they can take care of those less fortunate. If people choose to vote in politicians that are more interested in paying for wars or bridges to nowhere, that isn't my problem either. As far as I am concerned that is what I pay my tax dollars for. 2. Churches and other related charitable organizations exist to assist folks of this nature. If the church leaders choose to live in mansions and drive around in limosines with the moneys that are donated to them for other purposes, and their flock has no problem with that and continues to give them money, then que sera sera. |
Summary: It's not my fault or my problem so I don't worry about it.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The T
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 12:35 |
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Yes, taxes go to the homeless people...... No question about it.
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rushfan4
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 12:32 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
Nope, panhandling is illegal, and giving money to panhandlers only encourages more panhandling.
People make choices throughout their lives, and if those choices made them homeless and living on the streets, then that is their problem. They could have stayed in school, paid more attention in class, not chosen to start drinking, smoking, drugs, got a real job instead of become a musician, etc......... |
Yes they could have been perfect and not made mistakes. But since they did, be damned with giving them a second chance or having them live out their final days with something resembling humanity.
Or maybe they were born into poverty with no options for growth, or maybe they were born with a chemical imbalance which reduces their heads to mush, or maybe they came back so damaged from a war we shipped them off to fight that they can't reintegrate.
I'm glad you've worked all of this out and laid down your judgment.
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1. That is why I pay thousands of dollars a year to my government so that they can take care of those less fortunate. If people choose to vote in politicians that are more interested in paying for wars or bridges to nowhere, that isn't my problem either. As far as I am concerned that is what I pay my tax dollars for. 2. Churches and other related charitable organizations exist to assist folks of this nature. If the church leaders choose to live in mansions and drive around in limosines with the moneys that are donated to them for other purposes, and their flock has no problem with that and continues to give them money, then que sera sera.
Edited by rushfan4 - February 28 2011 at 12:33
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timothy leary
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 12:31 |
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I agree, to condemn someone you do not know actually robs you of compassion, so who is the real loser
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 12:24 |
The T wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
From personal interactions with the homeless, I hear that they are for the most part clothed, housed, and fed adequately. Also, please ask them what they want before you buy them something to eat or drink. Don't just assume they'll eat anything you throw at them. It's often true, but they appreciate it when you ask.
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Because they're humans and deserve respect. The same respect we give to ego-fueled idiots who write about purple clouds...
Sorry to the rest, I just feel all people deserved to be called people and not treated as a separate type of being... |
I agree.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 12:24 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Nope, panhandling is illegal, and giving money to panhandlers only encourages more panhandling.
People make choices throughout their lives, and if those choices made them homeless and living on the streets, then that is their problem. They could have stayed in school, paid more attention in class, not chosen to start drinking, smoking, drugs, got a real job instead of become a musician, etc......... |
Yes they could have been perfect and not made mistakes. But since they did, be damned with giving them a second chance or having them live out their final days with something resembling humanity. Or maybe they were born into poverty with no options for growth, or maybe they were born with a chemical imbalance which reduces their heads to mush, or maybe they came back so damaged from a war we shipped them off to fight that they can't reintegrate. I'm glad you've worked all of this out and laid down your judgment.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The T
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 12:23 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
From personal interactions with the homeless, I hear that they are for the most part clothed, housed, and fed adequately. Also, please ask them what they want before you buy them something to eat or drink. Don't just assume they'll eat anything you throw at them. It's often true, but they appreciate it when you ask.
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Because they're humans and deserve respect. The same respect we give to ego-fueled idiots who write about purple clouds...
Sorry to the rest, I just feel all people deserved to be called people and not treated as a separate type of being...
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The T
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 12:21 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Nope, panhandling is illegal, and giving money to panhandlers only encourages more panhandling.
People make choices throughout their lives, and if those choices made them homeless and living on the streets, then that is their problem. They could have stayed in school, paid more attention in class, not chosen to start drinking, smoking, drugs, got a real job instead of become a musician, etc......... |
True. But many, a BIG percentage of homeless people are there because of mental disorders. I just prefer not to generalize and say that ALL homeless people are "bums" because they made wrong choices... And, besides, let's remember that sometimes mental disorders lead to addiction problems and not always the other way around...
It would seem we're all perfect here...
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 12:16 |
Tell them you gave all your money to some guy who said he was with The Salvation Navy. 
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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rushfan4
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 12:14 |
Nope, panhandling is illegal, and giving money to panhandlers only encourages more panhandling.
People make choices throughout their lives, and if those choices made them homeless and living on the streets, then that is their problem. They could have stayed in school, paid more attention in class, not chosen to start drinking, smoking, drugs, got a real job instead of become a musician, etc.........
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 12:00 |
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From personal interactions with the homeless, I hear that they are for the most part clothed, housed, and fed adequately. Also, please ask them what they want before you buy them something to eat or drink. Don't just assume they'll eat anything you throw at them. It's often true, but they appreciate it when you ask.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The T
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 11:48 |
Homeless people are also sometimes sick people with schizophrenia or something like that who have been left alone by their families and who deserve to be called "men"or "women" instead of "bums" just like any other person. Some people here probably think everybody has the same luck in life that they have. You know is probably their fault if they're not listening to Jon f**king Anderson while chatting on a computer isn't it?
I agree with giving food and clothing. Sometimes I have given money though that happened more in my country where poverty is really horrible. Here I think charities do a decent job of helping homeless people.
Edited by The T - February 28 2011 at 11:49
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 08:03 |
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Homeless people in America often times not hungry at all.
I give them food, drink, and clothing. I don't give them money.
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