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The Doctor 
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 Posted: December 16 2009 at 10:50 |
 Any Colour You Like wrote:
Oh god no.
Not again. We have religion/atheism/pastafarianism/deism/paganism/troll threads for this purpose.
(No offence intended to the poster, but we have a few thousand of these threads per day)
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This is the completely irrational belief that eating lasagna, spaghetti bolognese or fetucini alfredo can induce a state of consciousness which brings one closer to God. Smoking the above dishes is even better. 
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Nightshine
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Posted: December 16 2009 at 10:01 |
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It's great that I hated The Whirlwind and think it's the second-worst album of this year. This is one of the many reasons why I hated it so much.
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Basíleia
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Posted: December 16 2009 at 09:54 |
J-Man wrote:
You don't like the lyrics.
You post a thread stating how you don't like the lyrics.
You waste my time by having me look at it.
I'm sorry but starting a thread about EVERYTHING WE DON'T LIKE is just poor forum behavior. If you don't like it, so what? We don't care, buddy.
You're an atheist. I'm a Christian. I agree with Neal Morse. You don't. Get over it!
Wow, I'm actually getting angry right now
-Jeff
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What is the diference with praise-threads? They are all about what people like, or dislike, that doesn't matter. And why would we suddenly cáre if somebody were to post a thread stating he completely loves Genesis, when we don't care if sombody were to post a thread about hating Yes...?
By the way, I like Transatlantic's lyrics in general...Neal Morse rules!!! 
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M27Barney
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Posted: December 16 2009 at 06:44 |
Religious people attempting to defend their irrational devotion to ideas that occured to (ignorant) pre-scientific bronze-age nomads.........
Who would have thought it eh?
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: December 16 2009 at 02:27 |
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I love how all the people putting down this thread are offended by the topic.
Don't like it - don't read it. Let people make threads. Gawd.
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Textbook
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 22:24 |
As a person who is quite adept at divorcing himself from the lyrical content of a song (I bump the odd gangster rap album despite finding many of the values espoused completely wrong-headed) I can't say the religious aspect of The Whirlwind bothered me. No, what gets me is that it's an awful, soulless, all shiny wrapper and no actual candy album, an Emperor's New Clothes if ever there was one.
Possibly the best example of great musicians playing terrible music I've ever witnessed.
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mrcozdude
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 20:52 |
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Drew
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 20:43 |
J-Man wrote:
You don't like the lyrics.
You post a thread stating how you don't like the lyrics.
You waste my time by having me look at it.
I'm sorry but starting a thread about EVERYTHING WE DON'T LIKE is just poor forum behavior. If you don't like it, so what? We don't care, buddy.
You're an atheist. I'm a Christian. I agree with Neal Morse. You don't. Get over it!
Wow, I'm actually getting angry right now
-Jeff
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Kashmir75
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 20:39 |
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I'm an atheist and a Transatlantic fan. Morse is entitled to his beliefs. It doesn't bother me that much. It doesn't offend me any more than prog bands singing about fairies or dragons, or the year 2112. Or metal bands singing about Satan. Since I don't believe in God, I don't believe in the devil, either.
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 20:02 |
miketheorganist wrote:
What amazes me is that atheist prog fans get so offended by lyrics about God.
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Speaking as an atheist prog fan, I do not get offended by lyrics about God. I've mentioned this in another thread, I just don't like Christian lyrics that are "preachy". I'll admit an almost complete ignorance or Neil Morse's lyrics. I've just read enough opinions that I trust on here to say, thanks, but I'll pass. Huge fan of 70's Kansas, though. I think Kerry Livgren was most responsible for the religious themed lyrics back then, but they never impressed me as explicitly Christian (Epignosis will correct me if I'm mistaken). I think Nobody's Home came the closest to being eC. Jesus returning home to Earth to find we had wiped us all out.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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J-Man
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 19:55 |
You don't like the lyrics. You post a thread stating how you don't like the lyrics. You waste my time by having me look at it. I'm sorry but starting a thread about EVERYTHING WE DON'T LIKE is just poor forum behavior. If you don't like it, so what? We don't care, buddy. You're an atheist. I'm a Christian. I agree with Neal Morse. You don't. Get over it! Wow, I'm actually getting angry right now -Jeff
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Thkasabrk
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 19:50 |
Religious lyrics do not bother me. To me prog is a style of music that lends itself to any and all subject matter (as, I suppose, all types of music do.) If the music is good and the lyrics are at least halfway intelligent, I'll listen! 
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miketheorganist
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 18:03 |
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What amazes me is that atheist prog fans get so offended by lyrics about God. What makes this any worse than any other topic? Why not just assign it to the realm of fantasy? You know, like, "What if there WERE such a being?" I mean, we can wonder about UFOs, ghosts, conspiracy theories, 2012, and have incomprehensible lyrics aplenty, but mention God and it's in the dumpster with it? I mean, if I can manage to listen to a fasntasy story about a lamb lying down on broadway, with slippermen, hairless hearts, etc., why can't you listen to fantasy story about a supreme being who loves people?
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A spirit with a vision is a dream with a mission!
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Morsenator
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 12:01 |
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I'm a fan and a Christian so I guess you may think I'm not very objective on this matter, but I must say that I like some lyrics of The Whirlwind quite a bit. Especially parts like "Rose Colored Glasses" and "On the Prowl" have some clever and good lyrics. And I seriously can't say that from all of Morse's albums (Lifeline comes first in mind). Anyway, I don't find Whirlwind particularly over-cliché-Christian (with possibly an exception of the last track).
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 11:53 |
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I've never checked them out, but there's something to be said about a good prog instrumental, eh?
Edited by Slartibartfast - December 15 2009 at 20:02
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Basíleia
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 11:38 |
I don't know why, but actually, I really like the lyrics on The Whrilwind... I generally can't stand Christian bands (that really áre Christian, of course!), although I am a Christian myself... With the Whirlwind, I kind of like it, hearing those cheesy, God-washed lyrics of Neal Morse... It makes me happy  
Joren
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M27Barney
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 02:57 |
Mambo - look at my review for my alternative take on the lyrics.
Morse - in his lyrics in the Whirlwind, the last track I think, makes the same mistake all uneducated god-botherers make - that the Evolution of the third chimpanzee was "Chance" natural selection has nothing to do with chance.........We have got a Mormon Temple in Swinton, thus I have had quite a few interesting conversations with nice guys in sharp business suits, trouble is they just won't listen to reason....
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The Block
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Posted: December 14 2009 at 19:25 |
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The lyrics might be about god but that is Neal Morse , it's his style.
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 Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp!
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: December 14 2009 at 19:15 |
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I think the lyrics are the least of their problems.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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rushfan4
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Posted: December 14 2009 at 17:45 |
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Yep. Do a search on Neal Morse, and you will probably find 10 threads worth of folks who are turned off by his religious overtones. For the most part, his lyrics don't bother me too much. I take them for the positive message that they are trying to convey, even if the message doesn't agree with my own beliefs or lack thereof.
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