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Hierophant
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 23:01 |
I found this very interesting wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_works_in_irregular_time_signatures I think this time signature takes the cake: (2002) "A Headache and a Sixty-Fourth" by Ron Jarzombek - "one measure of 4/4, followed by a measure of 1/64"[9] Edited by Hierophant - August 13 2006 at 23:09 |
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 22:49 |
Complex time signatures can often be broken down into groupings of two three and four beats. In modern classical music the groupings are given in what looks like an alegbra equation over the beat value something like this: 3+2+3 / 4. That would be the equal of 8/4 but tells the player how to "feel" the note groupings. The potential for this type of time signature, as noted, is limitless, but there does need to be a repeat of the basic pattern of groupings. For example, Supper's Ready's Apocalypse in 9/8 would be grouped 3+2+4 / 8., both because that totals 9 and because the pattern repeats over and over. Looked at in this way none of them are really all that complex. It's more about feel than it is about counting.
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Empathy
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 12:07 |
I agree with Dick. Zappa's "Black Page".
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Pure Brilliance:
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Abstrakt
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 02:25 |
Some More:
Samla Mammas Manna - Syster System 5/8
Samla Mammas Manna - Dundrets fröjder 4/4, 6/8, 6/4
Bill Bruford - Hells Bells 9/8
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds Of Fire 9/8? 19/16???
The Flower Kings - There Is More To This World 5/4, 3/4, 6/8
The Flower Kings - Melting Pot 6/8
The Flower Kings - Flora Majora 5/4 (My Favourite)
Genesis - Apocalypse in 9/8 9/8+4/4(Keyboard)
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 01:00 |
According to one analysis I read of Frame By Frame (KC), in one section of the song, Robert is playing a part in 81/8.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 18:21 |
Black Page : Frank Zappa
Red Shift: Anders Johansson Alex Mahacek: most tracks from his forthcoming album [SIC] or from his earlier album Featuring Ourselves - check out the merging of Charlie Parker's Donna Lee with Zappa's Black Page. Joe Morello's Castillian Drums (ex. Dave Brubeck Quartet's Carnegie Hall Live album) is reckoned to go through several dozen time signature changes |
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 16:58 |
Dream Theater's Dance of Eternity cycling between 4/4, 15/16, and 11/4 at times.
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Kleynan
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 16:53 |
I'm unable to read many of Meshuggah's time signatures. They win! |
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goose
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 15:40 |
It's not the numbers, it's what you do with it!
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Yukorin
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 15:05 |
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maani
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 14:57 |
Stonebeard has a point: an "odd" time signature is often just two or three measures of "standard" (or at least "basic") signatures put together. 11/16 is simply a measure of 6/8 and a measure of 5/8. The most radical signatures used on a "regular" basis in prog are 7/8, 9/8, 10/8, 11/8 and 13/8. As an aside, having not heard Meshuggah, I cannot comment. But Mars Volta uses some pretty out there time sigs - or, at least, combinations of "basic" sigs. Peace. |
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 14:18 |
I don't know...13,000/16. It's limitless...
But an odd time would usually only seem complex within the context of a song. Say: 4/4, 3/4, 4/4, 7/16, 2/4, 9/16, 4/4. That's be pretty weird in any style.
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Bj-1
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 14:12 |
The ones in Meshuggah's "I".
Blows everything else out on the water!
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Abstrakt
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 14:11 |
Maybe:
Planet X - Interlude In Milan 15/16?
Led Zeppelin - The Crunge 11/16?
Meshuggah - I ??????
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