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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

I knew. Whenever the word "consciousness" appears in a scientific thread, it triggers similar behaviours.

Anyway, the relation between gravity and time is described by T=t0/√v**2/c**2 and gravity, regardless what it is behaves like an acceleration. If ir was false, your navigator would never send you to your chosen destinatikn.


My GPS gets it wrong all the time! It's not as infallible as many believe. These equations serve as a rough guide, not an absolute. There are parts of the Earth where the geomagnetic energies are quite different and require a completely new set of variables. Obviously the scientific method has yielded untold advancements. That's not my point. The point is when it comes to the nature of time it is virtually unknown, at least what is revealed to the public.

Once again though time does exist because we experience it. That's why every language has a word for it that was created.




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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Theory in physics is not the sane as hypothesis, anyway


Consciousness has everything to do with physics (according to some). There are many physicists who believe the entire world is nothing but a holographic projection and that our consciousness actually collectively creates and alters the laws of nature. 

As far as conventional science is concerned regarding time sometimes results are reproducible but ONLY in very controlled conditions meaning they take into no account the symbiotic effects of other forces and energies in a living dynamic system. In other words results are CREATED by cherry picking input to create the intended results. This is MUCh more common than many would like to believe.

Your assumption about a theory isn't as easy as you'd like to believe. The world has MANY meanings and #6 is most often the one we find in many scientific theories.

the·o·ry

 (thē′ə-rē, thîr′ē)
n. pl. the·o·ries
1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
2. The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.
3. A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.
4. Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.
5. A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.
6. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.




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Theory in physics is not the sane as hypothesis, anyway

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I knew. Whenever the word "consciousness" appears in a scientific thread, it triggers similar behaviours.

Anyway, the relation between gravity and time is described by T=t0/√v**2/c**2 and gravity, regardless what it is behaves like an acceleration. If ir was false, your navigator would never send you to your chosen destinatikn.
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This is slowly turning into a political drama thread.
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ that sh*t is all theoretical. Nobody has a friggin clue how gravity or time really are generated. The name of the science game is to promote the theory that serves an underlying agenda and funded accordingly. Tyson is a poster child shill of scientific propaganda.
 
Well, I know that the gravity with which we are familiar is a consequence of gravitational time dilation, which has been measured by the Pound-Rebka experiment. And what "underlying agenda" could possibly be served by general relativity if it is not correct?
 




Actually Einstein was only one scientist who proposed theories but was chosen by the establishment because he conformed to the status quo. Tesla discovered what's called scalar energy and it was Einstein's task to make the public forget about the genius of Nikola Tesla (and others who followed) therefore that experiment is basically unprovable theories of gravity.

There has always been agendas that influence scientists but perhaps no other period changed the course of history more than the Baye-Dole Act of 1980 which limited the breadth of scientific funding. Most of the world unfortunately has been forced to comply with US hegemony on these matters due to the fact that world is basically pegged to the petrol dollar and the system.

If you explore these things deeper it becomes apparent that many of these so-called "discoveries" are really not true.



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It takes matter, energy and time to co-exist for the universe to function at all, along with the 4 forces - gravity, electro-magnetism, the strong nuclear force, and the weak nuclear force - all ultimately controlled by the laws of thermodynamics. It is the 2nd law of thermodynamics that introduces us to the concept of entropy, and the hence direction of change.

For a proper explanation, try to find and watch Brian Cox's 4-part series 'Wonders of the Universe'.

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ that sh*t is all theoretical. Nobody has a friggin clue how gravity or time really are generated. The name of the science game is to promote the theory that serves an underlying agenda and funded accordingly. Tyson is a poster child shill of scientific propaganda.
 
Well, I know that the gravity with which we are familiar is a consequence of gravitational time dilation, which has been measured by the Pound-Rebka experiment. And what "underlying agenda" could possibly be served by general relativity if it is not correct?
 



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^ that sh*t is all theoretical. Nobody has a friggin clue how gravity or time really are generated. The name of the science game is to promote the theory that serves an underlying agenda and funded accordingly. Tyson is a poster child shill of scientific propaganda.

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Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson explains how gravity affects time, which presumably explains why astronauts appear to be moving in slow motion on the Moon. Tongue



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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

 
Time exists BECAUSE we perceive it. 
How is perception related to existence in your view? I guess you wouldn't say that everything that anybody perceives automatically exists by definition? (Although it indeed then exists as a perception.)


Words and concepts are created to define our perceptions and experiences otherwise everything including the true nature of time is based on pure mathematics, most of which is beyond our comprehension.

The word TIME refers to a nonspatial continuum in which events occur in apparently irreversible succession from the past through the present to the future.

Since the word was invented to define our perception of this force of nature then that means it exists or we wouldn't have created a word to define it.

What i'm saying is that definitions and words are created to define our experiences and perceptions.
The true nature of time is therefore irrelevant to our definitions.


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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Entropy as arrow of time is not my own idea. I don't remember where I've read it first, but it comes from theoretical physics. Probably from a Feynman's book.


There are literally thousands of theories but in the end just theories. Scientists love to mentally masturbate about things that will probably remain unprovable. If time were entropy then we would experience timelines chaotically but rather we experience a smooth linear trajectory.



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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

 
Time exists BECAUSE we perceive it. 
How is perception related to existence in your view? I guess you wouldn't say that everything that anybody perceives automatically exists by definition? (Although it indeed then exists as a perception.)
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Searching on the web it looks like the first to associate entropy with time arrow has been Sir Arthur Eddington, so it's an idea about 1 century old.
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Entropy as arrow of time is not my own idea. I don't remember where I've read it first, but it comes from theoretical physics. Probably from a Feynman's book.
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

 So can we say that experiencing time is experiencing enthropy? 


Um, no! Entropy has specific scientific definitions. It can be a quantitative measure of the amount of thermal energy not available to do work.

It can be a measure of the loss of information in a transmitted message.

It can mean the tendency for all matter and energy in the universe to evolve towards a state of inert uniformity.

Or it can mean what most know it as and that is the inevitable and steady deterioration of a system or society.

Time would be the exact opposite as it's a unidirectional experience of the passing of events.

You are mixing up two totally different concepts of reality.



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What we are saying is not too different. But the only physical phenomenon which is aligned with the time arrow is enthropy. The probabliity of a seeing broken egg reverts the process and becomes integer again is extremely low but is more than zero. So can we say that experiencing time is experiencing enthropy? 
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