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oliverstoned 
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 Posted: September 13 2005 at 07:23 |
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Yes, if one time you come to France, you can come home to listen.
But you can have your kick with a Nad player, a good amp, little musical speakers, good accesories, including cables, the whole for 1000 dollars!!
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 07:22 |
 oliverstoned wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
say cobb have you ever heard a full blown high end hi-fi system?
it just amazing to listen to classical music with big sympony orchestras on some proper hi-fi systems it is almost as the symphony orchestra is right there in the room 
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I was having my kick yesterday on Ravel... |
Ah cool i find that classical music is the best way to test a decent speaker system...although most youths seem to test them with dance or trance to see how much bass and how loud they can get it...blah i remember someone testing a trance song on my speakers saying that they where crap compared to his Cervin Vega 
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cobb
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 07:21 |
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Maidenrulez- No, who can afford one- not me. I can only imagine and be happy with what I have.
[edit] besides it would have to go in the lounge room- the wife and
kids won't let me in there to play music- you have to turn the TV off
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 07:20 |
maidenrulez wrote:
say cobb have you ever heard a full blown high end hi-fi system?
it just amazing to listen to classical music with big sympony orchestras on some proper hi-fi systems it is almost as the symphony orchestra is right there in the room |
All genres are great!! prog too!!
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 07:19 |
maidenrulez wrote:
say cobb have you ever heard a full blown high end hi-fi system?
it just amazing to listen to classical music with big sympony orchestras on some proper hi-fi systems it is almost as the symphony orchestra is right there in the room |
I was having my kick yesterday on Ravel...
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 07:17 |
say cobb have you ever heard a full blown high end hi-fi system?
it just amazing to listen to classical music with big sympony orchestras on some proper hi-fi systems it is almost as the symphony orchestra is right there in the room
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 07:15 |
maidenrulez wrote:
The original NATULIS speakers...WOW Apparetnly you need 4 high-end 225 amps to get this two up and working |
They go out when the weather is rainy...
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 07:14 |
cobb wrote:
This will probably lose any shred of credibility I may have with you
guys, but I am happy to convert any MP3 I have back into audio CD and
play them back through the computer- how's that for audiophile savy....
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That's normal.
You can't hear nothing on a computer.
But play your cd on a real good system...
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 07:13 |
The original NATULIS speakers...WOW Apparetnly you need 4 high-end 225 amps to get this two up and working
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 07:13 |
maidenrulez wrote:
Now lets take on the battle between cd's and vinyls
Now a standard cd is sampled in 16bits and 44,1khz normally a human would just hear sound in the spectre of 18hz to 22,05khz wich means that esentially the sampling frequency has been doubled to ensure that the sound signal sampled would be more accurate to the original singal.
Now for the analog singals to be converted to digital signals a number of spaces to make the sample now for 16bits there would be 65535 spaces to place and then there will be lines aligned between them. Now if you tried to made a normal sinus signal this way you would nearly get the round form wich appears on the bottom and peak values of its amplitude. HOWEVER it will never be as good as the original analog signal because it would not be completly round and therebefore sound a bit sharp yet. |
I agree with the second statement: numerization of an analog signal will always lead to a loss of info.
And it ruins the music.
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cobb
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 07:11 |
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This will probably lose any shred of credibility I may have with you
guys, but I am happy to convert any MP3 I have back into audio CD and
play them back through the computer- how's that for audiophile savy....
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 07:10 |
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You can't prove it "scientifically".
It's just like proving that your favourite prog band is better than the last Britney spear record.
But when you hear a good tube amp versus a transistor, there's no need to explain. There's only music and emotion.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 07:08 |
Now lets take on the battle between cd's and vinyls
Now a standard cd is sampled in 16bits and 44,1khz normally a human would just hear sound in the spectre of 18hz to 22,05khz wich means that esentially the sampling frequency has been doubled to ensure that the sound signal sampled would be more accurate to the original singal.
Now for the analog singals to be converted to digital signals a number of spaces to make the sample now for 16bits there would be 65535 spaces to place and then there will be lines aligned between them. Now if you tried to made a normal sinus signal this way you would nearly get the round form wich appears on the bottom and peak values of its amplitude. HOWEVER it will never be as good as the original analog signal because it would not be completly round and therebefore sound a bit sharp yet.
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goose
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 07:07 |
maidenrulez wrote:
goose wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
Each component has to be "musical", which means hours of listening tests. |
Wheras what should be happening is the component should be designed to playback what's on the medium as accurately as possible, and leave the "musicality" to the people recording it at the other end.
If there are only tube amps and transistor amps (and I may be wrong on that), how do you know that tubes are better if you only have transistors to compare it to? Maybe transistors are better and you just like the sound that's less like the original? How can you prove any different?
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If you got a TUBE guitar amp and a TRANSISTOR guitar amp and you crank it way up to 11 Making it distort...then you would surely hear a huge diffrence between the TUBE guitar amp and a transistor guitar amp...The transistor one would undoubtly sound a bit harder and metallic distortion wich would not sound particualarly good in anyones ears while the tube guitar amp would distort much nicer and make for a softer transition that the transistor one. That is why almost ALL high end guitar amps include TUBES in either way
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I know there's a difference, but I'm interested if anyone can actually prove they're better from an objective standpoint, or if it's just down to personal preference.
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cobb
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 07:03 |
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That is indeed a lovely looking speaker maidenrulez, and looks like it
might have a good price tag on it- but tell us, what happened to the
other one?
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 06:58 |
Well said!
And yes, BW is good (but greedy-need a bi amp to make them really work)
BW diamond tweeter
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 06:49 |
cobb wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
Anyway i actually recommend to convert the stuff from your cd's to 192kb-256kb mp3 files, the average pc-speakers themselves are not good enough to deserve high quality streaming and it is alot less irritating that listening to music from the cd itself |
I'll save Mike the trouble- the thread is about plugging a decent amp and speaker set into a soundcard
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As said before i have plugged my pc into my THULE amp and NAUTILUS 805 speaker(the best small speaker on the earth.) And played a cd on it and did FAR from receive the same quality of sound as i did get from using the THULE cd player.
It is actually BETTER to not use the cd-rom and instead convert the files in to mp3's or wave and then play them directly from the harddrive.
Just posting a picture of the LOVELY Nautilus speakers
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 06:44 |
goose wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
Each component has to be "musical", which means hours of listening tests. |
Wheras what should be happening is the component should be designed to playback what's on the medium as accurately as possible, and leave the "musicality" to the people recording it at the other end.
If there are only tube amps and transistor amps (and I may be wrong on that), how do you know that tubes are better if you only have transistors to compare it to? Maybe transistors are better and you just like the sound that's less like the original? How can you prove any different?
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If you got a TUBE guitar amp and a TRANSISTOR guitar amp and you crank it way up to 11 Making it distort...then you would surely hear a huge diffrence between the TUBE guitar amp and a transistor guitar amp...The transistor one would undoubtly sound a bit harder and metallic distortion wich would not sound particualarly good in anyones ears while the tube guitar amp would distort much nicer and make for a softer transition that the transistor one. That is why almost ALL high end guitar amps include TUBES in either way
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cobb
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 06:43 |
maidenrulez wrote:
Anyway i actually recommend to convert the stuff
from your cd's to 192kb-256kb mp3 files, the average pc-speakers
themselves are not good enough to deserve high quality streaming and it
is alot less irritating that listening to music from the cd
itself |
I'll save Mike the trouble- the thread is about plugging a decent amp and speaker set into a soundcard
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cobb
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 06:39 |
oliverstoned wrote:
For 1000 dollars, you get a whole system 10X better
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That's only heresay from the people who haven't heard my system....
Edited by cobb
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