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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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May you unveil the oracle? Which are the three bands? And which are the albums by EL&P you love?
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15559 |
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All I can say is that ELP is one of the three bands who have made the largest number of albums I love really much.
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65603 |
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^ You'd be right according to this poll. Their sense of showmanship and business acumen has tainted their prog street cred. |
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18941 |
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These days I would say ELP is underrated in prog circles. Most prog fans seem to not think so highly of ELP it seems.
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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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Yes, 85 position. Their "big four" operas, EL&P1, Tarkus, Trilogy, Brain Salad are good albums (similar quality) with some great track, but is there a masterpiece? So, I voted for EL&P.
As is well known to those who know me, I consider that group fundamental and seminal for the birth of symphonic rock, the historical importance of EL&P for the evolution of progressive rock is unquestionable (I should perhaps say the importance of Keith Emerson first with Nice and then with EL&P) - For example the three most popular Italian groups (Banco, Pfm, Orme) were inspired by Emerson, or, another example the transcription in rock guise of classical music compositions and the display of virtuosity on the piano with long original musical scores worthy of classical music are always due to Emerson, but.... but I cannot find any real masterpieces in their albums despite the fact that they have one of the best singers of the seventies, Greg Lake. From a compositional and melodic point of view, EL&P are really lacking, and even their long suites show this lackness: much elaboration, little inspiration. There are also often many modest short tracks on their albums. Emerson and Palmer's overflowing virtuosity sometimes (often) takes over from the composition, which suffers as a result. Anyway, this is just my opinion. My evaluation is still the same: EL&P have great historical importance, and therefore in this matter they deserve to be considered "big", but if I judge the quality (beauty) of their albums today, this is much poorer than that of the major albums of the golden age of prog. |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15559 |
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I'd say, ELP is underrated. |
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15559 |
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Yes, I'd love to have VdGG among The Big Ones. |
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15559 |
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They were all great in their best periods.
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 43453 |
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The recognised Big Three of Hard Rock which is pretty much set in stone (or hard rock).
![]() Black Sabbath Deep Purple Led Zeppelin
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Jared ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 20335 |
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Oh yes!
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45673 |
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No doubt about that. ![]() |
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Jared ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 20335 |
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I think the whole grading, rating, classifying, evaluating and categorisation thing appeals to analytical minds.. and Prog as a genre appeals to analytically minded people...
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45673 |
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"paltry"? I've learned a new word. ![]() I also do not understand people that classify their bands & albums in "tiers". Much worse than the whole "big 6".
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Jared ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 20335 |
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Let us aim to rise above such paltry considerations...
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45673 |
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"Big" here refers to fame and popularity and i guess these six examples fit the criteria. It matters to some people I guess, I don't know...
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Jared ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 20335 |
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Yes, I agree. The problem with the concept are the subtle gradations within the statures of the respective bands and differences depending on how 'largeness' is measured. Six is such an arbitrary number as it is and as we have seen before in another thread, we would all have a slightly different 'Six'. Personally, I would probably drop Tull and include VDGG if I could only choose 6, but wouldn't want to be without Camel or Renaissance either... Dropping Tull (because they are probably my least favourite) however, would rightly enrage others, so around we go again...
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45673 |
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or maybe drop the whole "big 6" altogether
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Jared ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 20335 |
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I agree completely... but I'd have also included Camel and Renaissance. Others would want to include Caravan and Gentle Giant, which would give us a 'Big Eleven'...
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18941 |
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I should have said familiar with or more precisely familiar with their prog material. I think most music fans have at least heard of Yes, Genesis and Rush and probably heard at least one song.
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45673 |
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Kinda true, nevertheless most people outside prog circles only know the famous DSOTM and The Wall (also for the famous Another Brick in the Wall and Comfortably Numb).
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