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Follix 
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 Posted: September 13 2015 at 10:18 |
 emigre80 wrote:
I agree with your assessment of the Wall, but besides Comfortably Numb, what is the other song on it you rate more highly? |
Hey You I find the intro particularly hypnotizing but I agree that Comfortably Numb is easily the best song on the album.
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: September 13 2015 at 10:16 |
^I'm tired of reading all these pompous "I just dropped in to let you know that my moral standards are too high to take part in this discussion - except for telling you that I won't have any part in it".
I didn't start the name calling and labeling and I do think "your" contributions here are as predictably boring as they are unnecessary. How hard is it to just leave these kind of topics alone to those of us with questionable moral standards? |
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: September 13 2015 at 10:03 |
I do not care for Thriller from a musical personal preference standpoint. I didn't when it came out, and I don't now; however, if one is objective, one can see that it is an exquisitely produced piece of pop and an important document of the 80s, integrating black dance music with rock in a way that allowed Michael Jackson to capture a huge audience that crossed racial lines. From a pop and historical standpoint, it would be considered a "masterpiece", although for my tastes I think that word is bandied about far too frequently. A "dullard" as you presume in your trollish manner, would be more of a musical bigot who cannot see beyond his limited musical horizon and bash everything outside his little world. A dullard would not be objective.
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: September 13 2015 at 03:54 |
Floydoid wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
IMHO Overrated means = Look at those idiots who love what I decided is mediocre. |
I couldn't agree more.
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You're such dullards. Is this what you think if or when someone talks about Michael Jackson's masterpiece Thriller as well?
Edited by Saperlipopette! - September 13 2015 at 03:58
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Floydoid
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Posted: September 13 2015 at 03:43 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
IMHO Overrated means = Look at those idiots who love what I decided is mediocre.
All these albums have reached their place in the Prog Pantheon, because they deserve it. |
I couldn't agree more.
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: September 13 2015 at 03:36 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
emigre80 wrote:
I certainly do understand your point of view, however, which is why it might make sense to avoid any thread with "overrated" in the title, just as I avoid any thread with "tv show" in the title, because I know in advance I couldn't possibly care less. This seems to be a concept that sets you off, and life is far too short to court needless irritation.
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No, it's not the same.
I avoid any thread with the name Gentle Giant on it, because I don't like Gentle Giant, but there are many people who love this band and i can't do nothing else but respect their taste despite my disagreement, on the other hand, would be wrong to say "All the Gentle Giant fans are idiots because they rate this mediocre band so high".
But the word overrated implies
1.- Most people love this album/band, so they rate it high. 2.- I hate this band album, so I rate it low. (Up to this point is OK) 3.- The rating is wrong, my rating is right 4.- I'm right, all of them are wrong because In say it.
So you are criticizing everybody else's opinion.
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This is basically what people do all the time. What's the problem? Do we really have to tell the world that its our subjective opinion every time we have one? If you tell Gentle Giant-fans that you don't enjoy their music and why instead of coming across like a complete a****le, you'll be alright (and entitled to your opinion).
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TheLionOfPrague
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Posted: September 12 2015 at 23:42 |
Follix wrote:
To me it can't be DSOTM because it's the best album of all time
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Agreed.
But I can see why some might go with it since it's the "least" prog. As a prog album there might be better. As a music album, for me it always was and always will be the greatest album of all time. I doubt I'll ever listen to something that will make me change my mind.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 12 2015 at 23:40 |
Dellinger wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I never vote for overrated polls
IMHO Overrated means = Look at those idiots who love what I decided is mediocre.
All these albums have reached their place in the Prog Pantheon, because they deserve it.
I like Foxtrot more, but this doesn't mean I consider the others overrated |
Exactly what I think too. Except that for me Foxtrot wouldn't be my favourite choice from this albums. |
Of course, from the four ITCOTKC is my least favourite.
But still is a masterpiece
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 12 2015 at 23:41
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Dellinger
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Posted: September 12 2015 at 23:24 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I never vote for overrated polls
IMHO Overrated means = Look at those idiots who love what I decided is mediocre.
All these albums have reached their place in the Prog Pantheon, because they deserve it.
I like Foxtrot more, but this doesn't mean I consider the others overrated |
Exactly what I think too. Except that for me Foxtrot wouldn't be my favourite choice from this albums.
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kenethlevine
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Posted: September 12 2015 at 23:03 |
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Foxtrot, with DSOTM second. The other two really are too good to be overrated
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emigre80
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Posted: September 12 2015 at 22:51 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
emigre80 wrote:
I certainly do understand your point of view, however, which is why it might make sense to avoid any thread with "overrated" in the title, just as I avoid any thread with "tv show" in the title, because I know in advance I couldn't possibly care less. This seems to be a concept that sets you off, and life is far too short to court needless irritation.
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No, it's not the same.
I avoid any thread with the name Gentle Giant on it, because I don't like Gentle Giant, but there are many people who love this band and i can't do nothing else but respect their taste despite my disagreement, on the other hand, would be wrong to say "All the Gentle Giant fans are idiots because they rate this mediocre band so high".
But the word overrated implies
1.- Most people love this album/band, so they rate it high. 2.- I hate this band album, so I rate it low. (Up to this point is OK) 3.- The rating is wrong, my rating is right 4.- I'm right, all of them are wrong because In say it.
So you are criticizing everybody else's opinion.
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No, that's not what I mean, but I don't feel like explaining what I mean for the fifth time, so I'm going to let it go.
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emigre80
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Posted: September 12 2015 at 22:50 |
I agree with your assessment of the Wall, but besides Comfortably Numb, what is the other song on it you rate more highly?
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 12 2015 at 22:00 |
emigre80 wrote:
I certainly do understand your point of view, however, which is why it might make sense to avoid any thread with "overrated" in the title, just as I avoid any thread with "tv show" in the title, because I know in advance I couldn't possibly care less. This seems to be a concept that sets you off, and life is far too short to court needless irritation.
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No, it's not the same.
I avoid any thread with the name Gentle Giant on it, because I don't like Gentle Giant, but there are many people who love this band and i can't do nothing else but respect their taste despite my disagreement, on the other hand, would be wrong to say "All the Gentle Giant fans are idiots because they rate this mediocre band so high".
But the word overrated implies
1.- Most people love this album/band, so they rate it high. 2.- I hate this band album, so I rate it low. (Up to this point is OK) 3.- The rating is wrong, my rating is right 4.- I'm right, all of them are wrong because In say it.
So you are criticizing everybody else's opinion.
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 12 2015 at 22:17
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Follix
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Posted: September 12 2015 at 21:47 |
emigre80 wrote:
Follix wrote:
To me it can't be DSOTM because it's the best album of all time (personal taste, don't hate)... Then I enjoy ItCotCK a lot and Foxtrot has Supper's Ready on it... Therefore I vote for CttE
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I think we all agree that every opinion is (a) different and (b) legitimate.
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Yes I agree, I mean I get why people vote for DSOTM because it's by far the most known album of these 4 outside of the Prog world. Even tho I wouldn't even consider it ''prog'' (Meddle, WYWH and Animals are prog, DSOTM not so much...) Still if an album from Pink Floyd is overrated, it's got be The Wall. Remove 2 songs from that album and it's borderline mediocre.
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emigre80
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Posted: September 12 2015 at 21:19 |
Follix wrote:
To me it can't be DSOTM because it's the best album of all time (personal taste, don't hate)... Then I enjoy ItCotCK a lot and Foxtrot has Supper's Ready on it... Therefore I vote for CttE
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I would completely invert the order (on scale of least overrated to most: CTTE first, ItCotCK, then Foxtrot, then DSOTM) but I think we all agree that every opinion is (a) different and (b) legitimate.
Edited by emigre80 - September 12 2015 at 21:21
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Follix
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Posted: September 12 2015 at 17:55 |
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To me it can't be DSOTM because it's the best album of all time (personal taste, don't hate)... Then I enjoy ItCotCK a lot and Foxtrot has Supper's Ready on it... Therefore I vote for CttE
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dr wu23
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Posted: September 12 2015 at 17:32 |
SteveG wrote:
No vote. There's nothing here that's overrated, over celebrated or over appreciated, IMHO. |
^this
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wilmon91
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Posted: September 12 2015 at 14:44 |
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I vote "Dark side of the moon".
And the poll doesn't say that any of the albums are overrated. Only which is most overrated in relation to the others. Which is similar to asking "which is the most worthless metal? Gold or silver?" (but they're not worthless!??!!?!!?)
"Which is the tiniest planet? Jupiter or Saturn?" (They are huge?)
It's just a play with words, it's the comparison that is relevant. So the question is really:
"Which is the album that have received the most sufficient amount of positive acclaim in relation to its quality by people in general".
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gloriousgoldfish
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Posted: September 12 2015 at 14:40 |
Skalla-Grim wrote:
For me, "overrated" is totally different from "I don't like it".
I like Dark Side of the Moon very much as a pop/rock album, but when people call it a masterpiece of prog, it is surely overrated. It sounds great, but it lacks complexity.
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I agree to a certain extent. While I still believe Dark Side should be considered progressive rock I think it is a bit overrated in that sense (compared to other prog albums) It's not to say it is not an amazing album BUT just compared to other prog albums imo it is a tad overrated. Having that said I don't really like the word overrated as it could imply that something is not worth as much or is not as great as some might say. At the end of the day something that is overrated could only mean that it has achieved some sort of excellence and/or popularity. All the albums are great and masterpieces in their own right. But I guess if I really had to choose one it would have to be Dark Side, only because people who have probably never heard one song from the album sport that triangle on their chest like it's a fashion statement.
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Skalla-Grim
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Posted: September 12 2015 at 14:30 |
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For me, "overrated" is totally different from "I don't like it".
I like Dark Side of the Moon very much as a pop/rock album, but when people call it a masterpiece of prog, it is surely overrated. It sounds great, but it lacks complexity.
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