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Poll Question: Who do you like better all around, group work and solo?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2013 at 04:06
All around I have to give it to Rick as Banks has only done one good solo album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2013 at 02:02
I love the Genesis early period a lot more than I do the Yes earlier period (except for the Relayer album which is up there with the best - and Wakeman wasn't involved with Relayer). Looking at both artists I have to go with Rick Wakeman and my resoning for that is comparrison between Banks and Wakeman solo efforts. Banks never did anything like the Journey to the Centre of the Earth album or anything that could compare to any of the early Wakeman albums in scope or in ability. I also wonder how much of what Banks is credited with in Genesis inspiration wise came from him as opposed to how much came from the other Genesis members - looking at his solo albums which are uninspired for the main part I can guess at the answer to that. I also wonder, after watching a large number of interviews of the Genesis band members, who was ultimately responsible for the direction which Genesis took with their later output - many "blame" Collins for what happened however I think that Banks was the "culprit" and not Collins. I lay the demise of the old, loved, sound of Genesis when they changed direction fully on Banks's doorstep as I also lay the "blame" for the departure of Gabriel and then Hackett.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2013 at 01:44
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Live performance - Banks nails it every time but rarely varies from pre-rehearsed solos. Could phone in his performance most of the time. Wakeman is prepared to improvise much like Emerson.


Good point.  Banks is my favourite lead synthesizer player.  Emo & Wakeman could improvise circles around him but Banks' solos are well thought out mini-compositions.  The best example I've found is the synth solo from "In The Cage".  I learned to play it along with the backing organ chords a few months ago and it's a master class in how to build a solo melody on top of a harmonic background.  Genius.

The solo on the apocalypse section is probably his pinnacle. How often has that been ripped off by neo prog bands??!
Banks is a genius as a composer really. Wakeman though was the ultimate prog keyboard player and a master on synth, hammond,church organ, mellotron and piano.  Still not sure who I want to vote for.. this is just way too tough.

It depends on what you think is most important, I suppose: composition vs. playing. That's a personal choice. I chose Banks myself because for me good compositions comes first.
(Emerson was both a brilliant composer and a brilliant player)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2013 at 01:17
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Live performance - Banks nails it every time but rarely varies from pre-rehearsed solos. Could phone in his performance most of the time. Wakeman is prepared to improvise much like Emerson.


Good point.  Banks is my favourite lead synthesizer player.  Emo & Wakeman could improvise circles around him but Banks' solos are well thought out mini-compositions.  The best example I've found is the synth solo from "In The Cage".  I learned to play it along with the backing organ chords a few months ago and it's a master class in how to build a solo melody on top of a harmonic background.  Genius.

The solo on the apocalypse section is probably his pinnacle. How often has that been ripped off by neo prog bands??!
Banks is a genius as a composer really. Wakeman though was the ultimate prog keyboard player and a master on synth, hammond,church organ, mellotron and piano.  Still not sure who I want to vote for.. this is just way too tough.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2013 at 19:59
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2013 at 18:56
Rick Wakeman was a favorite of mine for some time but I really keep discovering how much I've overrated him... He is a great player and sometimes even a good composer (I love the "Arthur" album) and of course his playing on my all-time favorite album Tales from Topographic Oceans is beyond stunning. Still I can't help how easy he was replaced by Patrick Moraz for me, he really wasn't that essential for the Yes sound as it seemed while he was in the band. 

Tony Banks is more of a composer and less of a player, which I guess I like more because I think of myself that way. And this is one hell of a composer, the crimson king mentioned the In the Cage solo, I'd like to add one of my all-time favorite songs "The Lamia" to the list of masterful Banks compositions, of course among many others (Watcher of the Skies intro anyone?). So yeah, Banks really is more interesting as a whole when compared to Wakeman, he seems to connect with his own music on a deeper level than Wakeman does, at least in a way more similar with how I connect with my music. So in the end I'd vote for Banks I guess.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2013 at 16:27
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Live performance - Banks nails it every time but rarely varies from pre-rehearsed solos. Could phone in his performance most of the time. Wakeman is prepared to improvise much like Emerson.


Good point.  Banks is my favourite lead synthesizer player.  Emo & Wakeman could improvise circles around him but Banks' solos are well thought out mini-compositions.  The best example I've found is the synth solo from "In The Cage".  I learned to play it along with the backing organ chords a few months ago and it's a master class in how to build a solo melody on top of a harmonic background.  Genius.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2013 at 16:16
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2013 at 15:40
If it counts for anything, I prefer Rick's 'Silent Nights' over Banks' 'A Curious Feeling'.............Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2013 at 15:10
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2013 at 14:13
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Depends from what perspective you are looking
Technical - very close run thing ,didn't Keith Emerson say Banks was the best?
Composition - Six Wives is amazing but is to Rick what The Planets Suite is to Holst. I do like Criminal Record and other Wakemen albums but none of them are masterpeices like Six Wives. Banks has never recorded a bravura work such as that
Working within a band - Banks easily. well he was 'Mr Genesis'. Wakeman joined an established band and was the cherry on top of the icing on top of the cake. Suddenly Yes could challenge ELP on their own ground.
Live performance - Banks nails it every time but rarely varies from pre-rehearsed solos. Could phone in his performance most of the time. Wakeman is prepared to improvise much like Emerson.
I make it a 2-2- drawSmile


I do like Wakeman's ability to improvise, or make some twists to the songs he is playing, adding something and so on, just like the extra keyboard solo he added to "Starship Trooper" on Keys to Ascension... he just made the Wurm section his own as much as it's Howe's; and of course, he would do this kind of things with his own songs on his own shows. Another nice thing about him, is that he usually plays his songs with the musicians he has available, without using recordings to fill out the sound, which might have been a temptation with songs from albums such as Journey and Arthur that use lots of orchestrations and choirs, and really, those songs sound usually sound perfect anyway.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2013 at 13:58
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2013 at 13:43
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:


Originally posted by Neo-Romantic Neo-Romantic wrote:

I've never been too keen on Wakeman. Patrick Moraz is my favorite Yes keyboardist. Only took one album for him to effectively displace Wakeman in my book.


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<span style="line-height: 1.2;"></span>
<span style="line-height: 1.2;">This is a fascinating question because in many ways, they're opposites:</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.2;"></span>
<span style="line-height: 1.2;">1)  Banks is more of a meat-and-potatos player who supports the song</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.2;">      Wakeman is better from a technical standpoint and more flash</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.2;">2)  Banks seemed to favor organ and polysynth</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.2;">      Wakeman favored piano</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.2;">3)  Banks' solo's were usually played on an ARP Pro Soloist</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.2;">      Wakeman favored the Mini-Moog</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.2;">4)  </span><span style="line-height: 1.2;">Wakeman is a hilarious guy you'd want to hang out with</span>
      <span style="line-height: 1.2;">Banks is an upper class twit, but I voted for him anyway Wink</span>


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2013 at 13:08
Personally, I can't stand most of Wakeman's solo albums; they are often quite cheesy and he can't select a good vocalist to save his life(IMO)!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2013 at 12:02
Six Wives of Rick
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2013 at 11:42
Originally posted by Neo-Romantic Neo-Romantic wrote:

I've never been too keen on Wakeman. Patrick Moraz is my favorite Yes keyboardist. Only took one album for him to effectively displace Wakeman in my book.
^ this

This is a fascinating question because in many ways, they're opposites:

1)  Banks is more of a meat-and-potatos player who supports the song
      Wakeman is better from a technical standpoint and more flash
2)  Banks seemed to favor organ and polysynth
      Wakeman favored piano
3)  Banks' solo's were usually played on an ARP Pro Soloist
      Wakeman favored the Mini-Moog
4)  Wakeman is a hilarious guy you'd want to hang out with
      Banks is an upper class twit, but I voted for him anyway Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2013 at 10:03
Rick Wakeman, of course.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2013 at 07:50
Banks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2013 at 07:43
Wakeman is a far better and talented keyboard player. I choose Sir Rick.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2013 at 07:34
This is very close for me, since I enjoy both of them a lot. Quite different styles, but excellent overall, so it's quite hard to make a choice. No vote. 
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