stop the "Neo" prog label ?

lazland wrote: richardh wrote: lazland wrote: I loathe the continual sniping at Genesis post 1978. They gave me a lot of great music which I continue to enjoy to this day. Actually, I find that sniping rather intellectually lazy, given that all three of them were responsible for the  latter albums. Not just Collins. What about Grendel and Harvest of Souls? Both are clearly influenced by Genesis, of that there is no doubt. Actually, I find the two tracks in question to be miles apart in terms of quality and production values. Grendel was the b side of Market Square Heroes. It was a statement by Marillion of their influences, but, in truth, it doesn't even begin to compare with the band's latter output, even with Fish, let alone Hogarth. IQ have never hidden the origins of their influence. However, I tend to agree with Ian here. It is plain that Harvest of Souls is influenced by "classic" Genesis. It is probably my most played track by the band, and no matter how many times I listen to it, I could never, ever, state that it is a Suppers Ready "copy". It stands alone fine as a fine piece of music in its own right, and I love it even more for that. In other words, they took a basic template, and stamped their own authority on it, which is as good a definition of neo as I could hope to give.  Great post although Orford at the time was not happy about the comparisons being drawn between IQ's music and Genesis. He actually stated it was a complete coincidence because IQ had exactly the same make up in terms of numbers and instruments being played. I found it a bit fishy at the time and still do tbh.But  IQ are and will remain one of my favourite bands. BTW they followed their own template on Frequency and it worked brilliantly. And this is a great post I could not agree with you more re Frequency, which is a stunningly original piece of work. I am really looking forward to the follow up. Can I also say that Orford's The Old Road remains one of my favourite albums of all time? I do so much hope that the retirement will be temporary. Obviously, a return to IQ will not happen, but there is surely room for both in this musical world?

The Old Road is brilliant as is Classical Music and Popular Songs.  Martin needed to spread his wings but having done that perhaps there was nowhere to go? At least IQ paid the bills (or some of them) while I'm not sure how the solo albums did commercially.

richardh wrote: lazland wrote: I loathe the continual sniping at Genesis post 1978. They gave me a lot of great music which I continue to enjoy to this day. Actually, I find that sniping rather intellectually lazy, given that all three of them were responsible for the  latter albums. Not just Collins. What about Grendel and Harvest of Souls? Both are clearly influenced by Genesis, of that there is no doubt. Actually, I find the two tracks in question to be miles apart in terms of quality and production values. Grendel was the b side of Market Square Heroes. It was a statement by Marillion of their influences, but, in truth, it doesn't even begin to compare with the band's latter output, even with Fish, let alone Hogarth. IQ have never hidden the origins of their influence. However, I tend to agree with Ian here. It is plain that Harvest of Souls is influenced by "classic" Genesis. It is probably my most played track by the band, and no matter how many times I listen to it, I could never, ever, state that it is a Suppers Ready "copy". It stands alone fine as a fine piece of music in its own right, and I love it even more for that. In other words, they took a basic template, and stamped their own authority on it, which is as good a definition of neo as I could hope to give.  Great post although Orford at the time was not happy about the comparisons being drawn between IQ's music and Genesis. He actually stated it was a complete coincidence because IQ had exactly the same make up in terms of numbers and instruments being played. I found it a bit fishy at the time and still do tbh.But  IQ are and will remain one of my favourite bands. BTW they followed their own template on Frequency and it worked brilliantly.

I haven't been really crazy about Pendragon, so I think I'll give IQ a chance next. Tales from the Lush Attic seems to be a widespread favorite.

I remember a radio interview with Marillion in the 80s, Fish and the keyboardist. A caller asked them why they sounded so much like Genesis. I thought it was strange how defensive they were about it. I tend to think if they were more forthright it would have been more cathartic for everyone, but in playing it down they sounded like politicians playing an off note. Personally, I don't think the differences that existed between them and Genesis were for the better. I kept waiting for some sort of crazy eccentric instrumental piece from Marillion. I was really into the Waiting Room and other such oddities at the time. I was kind of disgusted by the time of Misplaced Childhood that they hadn't put a single instrumental on record. The only purpose for the music was to set the mood for the vocal. They didn't have any sort of instrumental excursions live either the one time I saw them. I haven't a clue what they're like post-Fish.

Edited by HackettFan - January 21 2013 at 20:52

Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote: Yes, `Frequency' is a wonderful album! Very melodic and grand, and an all-time best vocal from Nicholls! He's really such a charismatic and distinctive vocalist.

Yes, `Frequency' is a wonderful album! Very melodic and grand, and an all-time best vocal from Nicholls! He's really such a charismatic and distinctive vocalist.

Snow Dog wrote: lazland wrote: Snow Dog wrote: IQ are one of my favourite discovery's of the of the  last 15 years. It is such a shame I never heard of them  in the eighties. You would also, I think ,enjoy Twelfth Night. I came across IQ almost by chance, as they were mentioned in an article blathering on about Marillion being the natural successors to Genesis. Another band I missed out on. For some reason I wasn't aware of Prog New Wave and was only aware of Marillion.

Snow Dog wrote: IQ are one of my favourite discovery's of the of the  last 15 years. It is such a shame I never heard of them  in the eighties.

IQ are one of my favourite discovery's of the of the  last 15 years. It is such a shame I never heard of them  in the eighties.

I loathe the continual sniping at Genesis post 1978. They gave me a lot of great music which I continue to enjoy to this day. Actually, I find that sniping rather intellectually lazy, given that all three of them were responsible for the 

Tom Ozric wrote: If you ask me (which no-one has....) I say that I.Q. (and/or) Marillion are what Genesis should've sounded like in the 80's, had Gabriel and Hackett not bailed and have Disney Collins lead the remnants to the commercial slaughterhouse of the babbling masses...........give me 'The Wake' over 'Invisible Douche' anyday.......

Snow Dog wrote: Genesis didn't work hard. That's a good one. Ok, stop bashing Genesis now.

What I meant was, considering the complexity of the music - Tonight (x3) just doesn't demand the technical prowess that Cinema Show has - therefore the band doesn't have to stretch their talents (so to speak...).  No bashings here, just some thoughts.  I'll bash someone like James Blunt, though.