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boo boo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 28 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 905 |
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I don't really think the contract obligation excuse is a complete justification. I think a failure (though I don't consisder Tales to be one) born out of sheer ambition is a hell of a lot more admirable than something lazily sh*t out to please record executives.
I love Wakeman, I really do. But Henry VIII aside his solo work doesn't really strike my fancy much. It comes off a bit too pomp for me without the other Yes guys spicing things up.
I won't pretend that Tales is flawless, I'm not too crazy about The Ancient, but I love the other 3 tracks very much.
60 minutes of awesomeness > 20 minutes of filler = fine by me. Edited by boo boo - February 26 2011 at 12:24 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Well, I consider it a terrible album, with slightly over average 40 minutes of music, and the rest if filler, so your expression also affects all of us who don't believe Tales is a brilliant album. I reply to what you write, I can't read your mind about who you were referring ot who you claim you were referring. About Wakeman: Yes he made less than brilliant albums due to a bad contract with A&M that forced him to release a series of albums in order to survive, but he created at least 10 masterpieces and 10 excellent albums, something with what most musicians can only dream. Wakeman's comment was explained by him on a Creem Interview:
I always support what I say Iván
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boo boo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 28 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 905 |
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Yeah Wakeman isn't who I had in mind when I made that statement, and also considering some of the music he's made later in his career his word is by no means final.
![]() I think a huge reason Wakeman disliked that album is because his songwriting contributions had become very minimal compared to the previous albums, this was Jon and Steve's project, and they never disowned it. Besides, my comment was referring to punk fans who ALWAYS reference this album whenever they rant about prog and how it's wrongly considered one of the worst prog albums only by people who know f*ck all about prog.
Way to completely miss the point of what I was saying, this is by no means your first time. It certainly won't be the last. Edited by boo boo - February 26 2011 at 02:52 |
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God Speed you Black Emperor - "Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven"
The Beatles - "White Album" Genesis - "The Lamb lies on Broadway" In the Woods... - " Live at the Kaledonian Hall" Frank Zappa - "Joe´s Garage" Pink Floyd - "The Wall" - "Pulse" Can - "Tago Mago" George Harrison - "All things Must Pass" Marillion - "Marbles" |
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Tales for Topographic Oceans for me, definitely.
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TMN - Too Many Notes, stream the whole album for free on Soundclick
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MFP ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 31 2009 Status: Offline Points: 9426 |
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Tago Mago
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...which I just happened to be listening to when I read this! |
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A favorite - Harmonium L'heptade
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Would be a near tie between Tales from Topagraphic Oceans and The Lamb. The Lamb has more
incredible music but overall I like the feel of Tales better. On the topic, I think Einstein on the Beach by Philip Glass is a Five Disc Album....not sure how long that thread would be, lol. It would get my vote. |
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Triceratopsoil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 03 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18016 |
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it's not even aimless, aimless is cool with me. Just obnoxiously tedious
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I think I am gradually veering away from the 'its f**king boring' opinion. Every listen gets me a bit nearer to appreciating it a bit more and I am beginning to see why many have a high regard for it.
It is a lot to take in and there are passages that just seem to amble along aimlessly but hey ho I can't think of anything that really compares to it.That in itself is a big positive.
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7411 |
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OUTSTANDING list! I forgot about "JC Superstar," Ian Gillian's vocals are just insane on that! Thanks!
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Are you calling Rick Wakeman an idiot? If I'm not wrong, he described the album as "A pile of drivel" Why must you qualify anybody who disagree with you an idiot? Is your taste so perfect and knowledge so vast that anybody who dares to think different has to be an idiot? Iván |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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In no order and excluding Live albums or compilations, because with Live albums, would have to mention at least 50.
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7411 |
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But, how do you REALLY feel? ![]() I love Tales sides 1, 2 and 4, and only now am getting into side 3 "The Ancient." However, I can understand, it is something of an acquired taste for many. Glad folks have mentioned "Quadraphenia," I overlooked that one! Excellent double album, and the concert I saw (1994?) was excellent as well! "Focus 3" is another good citation, thanks for remembering!
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40footwolf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2010 Status: Offline Points: 651 |
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Reverse the order and you've got mine, too.
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Heaven's made a cesspool of us all.
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Triceratopsoil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 03 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18016 |
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it's f**kin' boring |
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Online Points: 18051 |
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Bob Dylan's album B on B, is a monster and deserves the mention ... it was one of the first albums to really blow folk music out of the water and you should have seen the cockroaches and bad folksters come out of the woodwork. It's almost like at the time, it belonged in each small area, and to no one else ... and all of a sudden, most of the local "folk" is nothing compared to this new kid.
In many ways, that album blew out radio and the value of the music and the lyrics, a lot more than the Beatles or Rolling Stones or anyone else.
CTA and Chicago 2 ... deserve the mention, and they are 2 albums I love dearly, and think that PA should start the American version of "Progressive" music to validate a lot more work, other than just pop music. Chicago was not pop music in its first 4 or 5 albums, although they did have some hits. And I have never seen a bad Chicago show!
Allman Brothers -- that album is a keeper. But I am not sure it needs to be listed as "progressive" ... it's just great music by a band that really did something nice at a time when it was needed, and it meant more than ... just nothing and pop music, or plain top of the pops.
The Who - Quadrophenia ... I always felt it was very good. Just not sure that everyone at the time had listened to it properly and given it a good listen, because at the time, things were turned nasty against long cuts and "conceptual" music ... and The Who, was one of the bands that said ... I don't care! This is what I'm doing! ... and they stood out for it. It might not be considered progressive, as music per se, but it is in every other aspect of the whole thing, and a conceptual idea, not different than DSOTM at the time, or Genesis, and in many ways, it was much more honest music, and a heck of a lot more honest, and it did not have to dress up in drag, or costumes to get the point across, or use ten fancy keyboards to create great music, which is the bad part of the "progressive" definitions demanding groups to have a big keyboard sound.
I am not adverse to the idea of progressive music ... I am only adverse to the finnicky and attitude that limits the music designs to one thing and one thing only, when it could easily encompass many others and show that ... there were a lot of people that really wanted to do more with their music ... than just a pop song ... but then, we're only interested in top of the pops anyway ...we even have a "top list" ... and we love to discuss the monsters ... just exclude the very people that inspired so many of these monsters, and were also there at the time, also doing quite good and important things.
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boo boo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 28 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 905 |
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who realises that Tales is a brilliant album wrongfully demonized by trendhopping idiots who get angry at things they don't understand.
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The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway and Tales from Topographic Oceans
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