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NetsNJFan
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 03:17 |
we are music snobs...........but rightfully so!
We are even snobby to each other about various prog bands!!!
Edited by NetsNJFan
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henri_ds
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 03:09 |
Jeremy Spade wrote:
I find the label of "snob" usually comes from the bashing of mainstream music... "their" music...
After all, what gives us the right to criticize the 17 year old punk who can't sing and can only play 3 power chords? Just because we listen to music that nobody likes? |
Because nearly everyone here (I'm sure) can do BETTER than that, whenever they feel it.
I mean : getting into prog also got me very interested into many
instruments. I play a lot of drums (my n.1 instrument) but I can do a
bit of classical guitar, and I take bass guitar lessons.
Actualy, the right to criticize comes from the much larger "overall" vision of music we have.
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Yams
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 03:06 |
We're also a much more diverse bunch. I can bet you most of the people
who listen to the trash that's put out there nowadays don't listen to
Jazz, Blues or Classical music. Many of us do.
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Jeremy Spade
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 02:47 |
I find the label of "snob" usually comes from the bashing of mainstream music... "their" music...
After all, what gives us the right to criticize the 17 year old punk who can't sing and can only play 3 power chords? Just because we listen to music that nobody likes?
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 02:39 |
I do know people who can explain exactly why they prefer Whitney Houston over Madonna... |
Of course there are, but from my experience only a minority.
Even if they do, ask them who plays the guitar for their albums or who composes the music and lyrics for them and all you'll get is a loud "Who cares?".
And it's not wrong, because they only care for the main artist (Vocalist in 99% of he cases), but when one of us can tell the formation of each and every Yes album, they say we're snobs.
Iván
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henri_ds
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 02:37 |
And, you guys can try something : try catching someone who's listening to commercial rap/rnb sh*t, like 50 cent etc....
and ask them : So, what is that you find really good, and why do you enjoy it ?
99,999999999% of the answers you'll get will be something like : owh, it's *cool*, it makes me *cool*.
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Jeremy Spade
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 02:30 |
Hopefully it’s obvious that the poll was made in jest. A bit of satirical commentary, if you will.
The other day I was playing King Crimson at my work, and received some odd looks and negative comments. A bit defensive, I began to bash the ordinary garbage that was played in the office. All of this was done light-heartedly on behalf of both parties, but when I went on to explain exactly why the coma-inducing dribble that spewed from the radio was totally invalid and creatively dead, I had to laugh at my self and respond to their raised eyebrow looks... "I know, I know, I’m a music snob."
Some people, in fact MOST people, only identify with vocals and only care to expose themselfs to what mainstream media offers. I do know people who can explain exactly why they prefer Whitney Houston over Madonna... I think these people care about music, perhaps even as much as I do... but maybe they just don’t feel the need to listen to technical sophistication or layered melodies and complex compositions. I can jive with that, but personally I need to be able to listen to a song 5 times and notice something new each turn.
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henri_ds
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 02:11 |
Most FM radio listeners dont even listen to mainstream music because of
the music. they listen to it because it makes them *cool*. And, they
dont care about a possible meaning behind the music.
and, they dont care about the other instruments than the vocals. Vocals
are everything for an average listener, but bass guitar and drums for
example are not important at all.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Joined: April 27 2004
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 01:58 |
Not music snobs, the difference between us and most commercial genre fans is that we care for the music we like, we want to know everything, we investigate what we can and know exactly why we like prog' music.
We usually know or at least have an idea what is the main difference between the style of Steve Hackett and Steve Howe or Neil Peart and Bill Bruford, most music listeners like Britney or N'Sync and don't have the slightest idea who plays guitar or drums, but what is even worst, they don't care, they just see the performer and don't even care for who composed the music.
And don't tell me it's because we listen bands and they only care for soloists, because most progheads know that David Rhodes and Manu Katche played with Peter Gabriel or that an obscure (but great) drummer like Tony Fernandez plays with Rick Wakeman and Ashley Holt sings with him.
The average music listener doesn't worry at all, most of them listen what's being played in the radio so they see someone who cares so much and knows about the genre as a snob who believes he/she knows everything.
Every music fan of every genre thinks that what he listens is the best, the difference is that we have arguments that are valid for us when most people simply like what they listen in the radio without any reason, argument or even the minimum knowledge.
Iván
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nousommedusolei
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Joined: April 26 2005
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 01:27 |
Now THAT'S a good poll. I'd like to see it in a few days.
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I only believe in you
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Jeremy Spade
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 01:25 |
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