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Poll Question: Pick your favorite Vangelis album 69-79
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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

I'm afraid my review was rather predictable!Embarrassed http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=124609


Okay, got the part that it should be avoided and it's totally bad, but

how would you rate, in terms of prog, that side of Vangelis?

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I'm afraid my review was rather predictable!Embarrassed http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=124609
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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

I doubt Vangelis will be moved back to Prog Electronic, the lead Specialist of the genre thinks his music was too commercial.

 
Presumably a simplistic summary of the reasoning?Wink Where would that leave Genesis?Shocked


Why do we always (or often) get to Genesis? LOLLOL

BTW, as a hater of experimental unmelodic music (aka Beaubourg), how would you rate, in terms of prog, that side of Vangelis? WinkBig%20smile


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If it was for Heaven & Hell, I would fight to add him to Symphonic, but sadly he made a lot of New Age and soundtracks.
 
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

I doubt Vangelis will be moved back to Prog Electronic, the lead Specialist of the genre thinks his music was too commercial.

 
Presumably a simplistic summary of the reasoning?Wink Where would that leave Genesis?Shocked
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Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

^ True. But the rules of the site specify that if one album from an artist is fully progressive, that artist should be included as progressive. Based on his earlier albums, I cannot work out why Vangelis is not an integral part of the progressive electronic sub-genre. A hundred bad, commercial albums (Pete Namlook or Rick Wakeman, anyone?) shouldn't negate one fully prog album.


I have to mention that I personally don't take that rule very serious, especially considering electronic artists that could write a prog song today and a chillout thing tomorrow. Besides, I haven't actually seen it as a rule, but more as a guideline some members/collaborators follow.

P.S.: Pete Namlook mainly wrote awful music with awful collaborators, in an awful reflex. Otherwise, his music is quite good. Rick Wakeman wrote mostly awful music from Rapsodies till Out There, but I'll let Iván tell you (in many sentences) why he's in Symphonic. Wink


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OK, on second thought I can buy Antarctica as being somewhat commercial. By the way, if anyone hasn't seen the movie, I liked it.  The first three in that list are my faves.  I wonder why? Big%20smile

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^ True. But the rules of the site specify that if one album from an artist is fully progressive, that artist should be included as progressive. Based on his earlier albums, I cannot work out why Vangelis is not an integral part of the progressive electronic sub-genre. A hundred bad, commercial albums (Pete Namlook or Rick Wakeman, anyone?) shouldn't negate one fully prog album.
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:



Albedo 0.39    1975  progressive
Heaven and Hell    1975 progressive
Spiral    1977 progressive (the trilogy in fact)
China    1979 well, a sort of world electronic, but does contain some new-age/melodic too
Opera Sauvage    1979 bit new-age for me
Antarctica - The Original Motion Picture Soundtrack    1983 commercial, actually, and simple-minded electronic/new-age
Direct    1988 digital/electric sound electronic, one of my faves!
City, The    1990 new-age!
Voices    1995 new-age! with vocals! (though I like it)
Oceanic    1996 new-age with ambient
El Greco    1998 classical/compositional (definitely one of Vangelis' best works!
Mythodea    2001 classical/new-age/electronic

None of those are commercial, in fact the last two are arguably classical.


I think Opera Sauvage, Antarctica, The City, Voices and Oceanic, out of these, are albums that can make up the reason for Vangelis' unprogressiveness and, in part, commercial approach.
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Albedo 0.39 got my vote. I wore out a couple of copies of that one.
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:



C'est la vie, I basically feel the same way.


I guess both Vangelis and I will survive. But he sure sticks out among all the 70's hardrock, indiebands and progartists soloprojects surrounding him.
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Been a long time since I've heard Beauborg.  Why hasn't anyone voted for that one?  LOL

Too commercial?  I think the closest he came to commercial was the Chariots Of Eggs soundtrack.

Here's my CDs (don't have LPs cataloged).

Albedo 0.39    1975
Heaven and Hell    1975
Spiral    1977
China    1979
Opera Sauvage    1979
Antarctica - The Original Motion Picture Soundtrack    1983
Direct    1988
City, The    1990
Voices    1995
Oceanic    1996
El Greco    1998
Mythodea    2001

None of those are commercial, in fact the last two are arguably classical.
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Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

I doubt Vangelis will be moved back to Prog Electronic, the lead Specialist of the genre thinks his music was too commercial.



First of all, that's no real reason, and second, its not really true. About half of these albums quite experimental, and not much here can be labelled commercial. I know he was commercial from the 80's and on, but so was almost every band who survived the 70's.

These specialists can't have heard Hypothesis, The Dragon or Beaubourg.


C'est la vie, I basically feel the same way.
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

I doubt Vangelis will be moved back to Prog Electronic, the lead Specialist of the genre thinks his music was too commercial.



First of all, that's no real reason, and second, its not really true. About half of these albums quite experimental, and not much here can be labelled commercial. I know he was commercial from the 80's and on, but so was almost every band who survived the 70's.

These specialists can't have heard Hypothesis, The Dragon or Beaubourg.
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I doubt Vangelis will be moved back to Prog Electronic, the lead Specialist of the genre thinks his music was too commercial.

Somehow, contrary to J.M.Jarre, I believe a couple of albums in the mid 70s are Prog Electronic, even (sometimes) Electronic Rock.

As for the poll, my heart is with Heaven And Hell, Vangelis's most fantastic work for me.
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Vangelis has released several great albums, though i don't know all of the list, i will vote for L' Apocalypse des Animaux which i personally adore and think it's one of his masterpieces.

Talking about post 80s, my favourite album is Mask!

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I also don't know all, especially the "rare" records, but I'll go with China. One of the few albums by him I like more than "a bit". Actually, I think China is a masterpiece on it's own.
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Originally posted by febus febus wrote:

First of all,I don't know them all, thus making my selection not very objective as i have a weakness for ''Heaven and Hell'' Thumbs%20Upan album i have fond memories coming with when i grew up back then .
''L'apocalypse des animaux'' would be my second choice!


My two choices would be in reverse -- went with l'Apocalypse des Animaux....  That said, I still don't know enough Vangelis albums, and haven't listened to Vangelis in quite some years (I was biggest on Vangelis when I was really into "New Age" music -- Kitaro and Vangelis were my faves at one time).
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First of all,I don't know them all, thus making my selection not very objective as i have a weakness for ''Heaven and Hell'' Thumbs%20Upan album i have fond memories coming with when i grew up back then .
''L'apocalypse des animaux'' would be my second choice!
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He was actually so progressive back in the 70's he shouldn't be in just progrelated.

I think there's 8, maybe 9 really great albums on this list (I don't have China). I do love the most popular one: Heaven And Hell, but I have a soft spot for his two untypical 1971 releases the (avant)jazzy Hypothesis and the easternsounding and rocking The Dragon. They were the first two I got into. Funny that Vangelis didn't want any of them released.

My list:

 1  Hypothesis
 2  The Dragon
 3  Heaven And Hell
 4  Sex Power
 5  L' Apocalypse des Animaux
 6  Earth
 7  Albedo 0.39
 8  Beaubourg
 9  Spiral
10 Ignacio

What's your favorite?


Edited by Rocktopus - September 15 2008 at 14:55
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