Can Pop be Prog? |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 10:53 | |
Not sure Fusionman:
Well, it sounds as a musicall genre to me.
Iván
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Fusionman
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 08:18 | |
Your phrasing is wrong. Pop is a description of a genre, not a genre its self.
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Philéas
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 07:13 | |
Pop can definitely be Prog, just as Rock can be Prog. There are plenty
of Pop bands around today whose music show a lot of Prog influence, Mew
and Muse are two good examples, and there are many more. Be open-minded
people!
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Gaston
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 03:23 | |
no such thing as prog, it's just a silly name we give to a broad spectrum of music we'd like to think of as our own. To be truly prog you must have end point, like start as point A and progess knowingly to point B. If not you're just experimental. Bleh. Experimental.
lol, y'all know i'm joking, you can classify a range of music into prog and damned right we do. you know, i'm involved in making a masterpiece prog album right now, you know how many times i post here a year? i don't care if anyone even reads this post let alone listens to our music. i'm doing this for you, not for us. as soon as you understand that, you'll understand why there is no prog. don't worry about my music either, we'll all be a part of it soon enough. i want everyone to enjoy us, not nit pick us. we do what we want in other words. long live, er... prog. lol Gaston |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 03:22 | |
I get your point Garion but for me POP involves much more than popular.
Pop is mainly
Just the opposite of what Prog means. Dark Side of the Moon was popular, but it was a challenging and deep album. Even the most challenging mainstream artists or bands are usually catalogued as "ALTERNATIVE"
Iván
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Garion81
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 03:12 | |
[QUOTE=Ivan_Melgar_M]The reality is that a band can play Prog, POP or borderline music.
BUT:
1.- If a Prog song becomes POP, it ceases to be Prog and becomes Pop.
2.- If a Pop song becomes Prog, it ceases to be Pop and becomes Prog.
3.- If a song is in the limit it's Prog related or borderline but no way a song can be POP and Prog at the same time.
Iván
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Again if we are talking what was "pop" when prog was popular (the ever popular AOR tag) then people are wrong when they call something like that pop today. No one ever address this. If you think it through is AOR really pop anymore? What does it benefit a band to sound like that today? This is the label I hear put on Spock's Beard, Kansas, The Flower Kings etc. I actually don't get it.
If Neal Morse wrote only AOR music and secular lyrics do you think he is really going to get "popular"?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 02:55 | |
I always thought of Shaming of the True as "Art Pop". |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 02:30 | |
The reality is that a band can play Prog, POP or borderline music.
BUT:
1.- If a Prog song becomes POP, it ceases to be Prog and becomes Pop.
2.- If a Pop song becomes Prog, it ceases to be Pop and becomes Prog.
3.- If a song is in the limit it's Prog related or borderline but no way a song can be POP and Prog at the same time.
Iván
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NecroManiac
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Posted: September 08 2006 at 20:58 | |
Listen to Doves. Yes, "pop" can be prog. (I hate the term "Dream Pop", it's prog goddamn' it!"
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What's yer faovrite album? =^_^= |
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Harkmark
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Posted: September 08 2006 at 18:46 | |
pop cannot be prog, prog can be pop...
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lucas
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Posted: September 08 2006 at 18:39 | |
Nice call, here !
ACT are one of my favourite current prog bands. On stage they are very good. And they are a successful blend of ABBA, Dream Theater, Saga and Queen.
One name comes to my mind when it comes to pop-prog : Kevin GILBERT, cf his early career with 'NRG' and his solo albums. He defined himself 'the shaming of the true' as pop-prog album.
Most of the art-rock bands could be regarded as prog-pop :
Supertramp
Roxy Music
10 CC
Manfred Mann's earthband
Kate Bush
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Rosescar
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Posted: September 08 2006 at 15:24 | |
I was thinking the same thing, though some albums/songs aren't that proggy. The most popular songs usually are verse-chorus-verse-flute solo-chorus =( |
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billbuckner
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Posted: September 08 2006 at 14:54 | |
I'm surprised that Supertramp haven't been brought up here.
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coffeeintheface
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Posted: September 08 2006 at 14:49 | |
Is there ANY need to cut someone down like this? He has a very strong point.
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coffeeintheface
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Posted: September 08 2006 at 14:48 | |
you lose
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Benjamin_Breeg
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Posted: September 08 2006 at 14:04 | |
I think so. Some bands like Radiohead, Muse and A.C.T. can do progressive music with a pop approach or pop music with progressive approach
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Inferno
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Posted: September 08 2006 at 13:53 | |
Prog was pop in the 70's
Progressive band were pop music. They were what mainstream people listened too. Maybe not the too obscur group that everyones seems to point out, but prog was pop. Today it's mainly Emo (whatever that means...pop-punk and Melodic Hardcore is the good term to say what people calls EMo today since nobody knows what Moss Icon and Rites of spring are...and they were what Emo is...in 1994!) R&B and the Industry (people like Paris Hilton doing some sh*tty album) That's the pop of today, with a couple of exception of Rock, of Alternative and even a little bit of metal. There was pop in Prog and still. The Harmonic structure of today's prog (And I'm not mentionning all those experimental, psychedalic and Jazz fusion band) are still mainly pop. Like I said, Prog is ambitious pop with a tad of this and that. |
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Soupykan
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Posted: September 08 2006 at 13:48 | |
Dark Side of the Moon is arguably the most popular album of all time. Just because today's pop music is for the most part not remotely proggish, does not mean that prog music cannot be pop. |
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Rosescar
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Posted: September 08 2006 at 13:39 | |
Yes, I am completely clueless. Thank god I got the bloody facts from Epitaph Volume 1 & 2 's liner notes.
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philhepple
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Posted: September 08 2006 at 11:51 | |
PLEASE do not make asinine comments about something that you are CLUELESS about! |
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