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hmm it doesn't hurt that I love Barry Palmer's voice.  He did a great job on several of Mike Oldfield's singles and albums in the mid 1980s as well
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^Here, here! I also especially love the stirring, astounding solo piano work on the instrumental "A Day In A Life" Deeply moving.
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

^ I think you hit the nail on the head.  One can complain about going mainstream on OLDH but it's the songwriting that more than makes up for that questionable accusation
 

OLDH also has a killer instrumental in "Panic on 5th Avenue." Clap
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^ I think you hit the nail on the head.  One can complain about going mainstream on OLDH but it's the songwriting that more than makes up for that questionable accusation
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Illusions is the album. Better than all ELP albums bar Brain Salad Surgery and Trilogy and should be a top 50 prog album. Never cared for Spartacus though and that was a real sticking point for me initially. It is original (perhaps except for a few cheeky Keith Emerson keyboard refrains) but I find it all a bit too cheesey ( and I like cheese!) . BTW Jurgen did an excellent solo album Hard To Be God in the eighties a little bit in the style of Vangelis. Try to track that down if you can!
 

I don't hear anything as compelling as "Tank," "Take a Pebble" or especially "Knife-Edge" on Illusions. 
 

I'm talking about whole albums and the first couple of ELP albums are hit and miss as far as I'm concerned even as a fan. Triumvirat were so much more organised and the music is impressively fluid . ELP were perhaps just too ego based (cliché number 133) but Karn Evil 9 and Toccata raised ELP to a level that few could follow (all in my opinion of course)
 

ELP's debut is fantastic, IMO. I don't think T'rat's writing is as robust till they hit Spartacus and OLDH, which I regard together as their zenith.
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I didn't know up to a few minutes ago that this guy had been a member of Triumvirat at some point:

This was a hit single in Germany in 1983, quite funny and original, but pretty annoying at the same time. Tongue
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Well, I've tried listening to them but I'm afraid they do nothing for me. ELP trounce them in all departments for me - songwriting, musical ability and probably crucially the vocal department. Not a patch on Lake.
To each his own. I admit the vocals on the debut album are no great shakes, but on Illusions and Spartacus, Helmut Koellen's vocals are superb, as are Barry Palmer's on OLDH, Pompeii and A La Carte. David Hanselmann and Arno Steffen's subsequent vocals are good, but of course, the music is not classic Triumvirat, unfortunately, on the last two albums.
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Well, I've tried listening to them but I'm afraid they do nothing for me. ELP trounce them in all departments for me - songwriting, musical ability and probably crucially the vocal department. Not a patch on Lake.
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

^Photos of Triumvirat live in America on July 19th, 1975 from top left, Juergen Fritz, Helmut Koellen, and Hans Bathelt below

Doug, I admire your loyalty to your favorite band!! 

I'm still trying to figure out the best way to send you what I promised, hang in there!  You'll like it!

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Hey, Chuck, great to hear from you, and thanks for your continued interest and support. It means a lot, man! And am looking forward to the package-thanks!


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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Illusions is the album. Better than all ELP albums bar Brain Salad Surgery and Trilogy and should be a top 50 prog album. Never cared for Spartacus though and that was a real sticking point for me initially. It is original (perhaps except for a few cheeky Keith Emerson keyboard refrains) but I find it all a bit too cheesey ( and I like cheese!) . BTW Jurgen did an excellent solo album Hard To Be God in the eighties a little bit in the style of Vangelis. Try to track that down if you can!
 

I don't hear anything as compelling as "Tank," "Take a Pebble" or especially "Knife-Edge" on Illusions. 
 

I'm talking about whole albums and the first couple of ELP albums are hit and miss as far as I'm concerned even as a fan. Triumvirat were so much more organised and the music is impressively fluid . ELP were perhaps just too ego based (cliché number 133) but Karn Evil 9 and Toccata raised ELP to a level that few could follow (all in my opinion of course)
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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

^Photos of Triumvirat live in America on July 19th, 1975 from top left, Juergen Fritz, Helmut Koellen, and Hans Bathelt below

Doug, I admire your loyalty to your favorite band!! 

I'm still trying to figure out the best way to send you what I promised, hang in there!  You'll like it!

Best, Chuck
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^Photos of Triumvirat live in America on July 19th, 1975 from top left, Juergen Fritz, Helmut Koellen, and Hans Bathelt below
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It is hard to say in a few words or sentences why I consider Triumvirat so special. Frankly, they do things for me that ELP don't, that no other group does, really.
        But the capability of appreciating and sensing something of value in music is a subjective analysis, I realise.
           Give me any of their first four albums over their colleagues in prog rock any day of the week! There is something so refreshing and vital in that early Triumvirat music that it floors the competition.
            And they never needed any theatrics in getting that across to audiences when they performed live; just the music sufficed.
                  
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Jurgen compares pretty favourably to Keith. Nothing wrong with that.
 

That's right.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Illusions is the album. Better than all ELP albums bar Brain Salad Surgery and Trilogy and should be a top 50 prog album. Never cared for Spartacus though and that was a real sticking point for me initially. It is original (perhaps except for a few cheeky Keith Emerson keyboard refrains) but I find it all a bit too cheesey ( and I like cheese!) . BTW Jurgen did an excellent solo album Hard To Be God in the eighties a little bit in the style of Vangelis. Try to track that down if you can!
 

I don't hear anything as compelling as "Tank," "Take a Pebble" or especially "Knife-Edge" on Illusions. 
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Illusions is the album. Better than all ELP albums bar Brain Salad Surgery and Trilogy and should be a top 50 prog album. Never cared for Spartacus though and that was a real sticking point for me initially. It is original (perhaps except for a few cheeky Keith Emerson keyboard refrains) but I find it all a bit too cheesey ( and I like cheese!) . BTW Jurgen did an excellent solo album Hard To Be God in the eighties a little bit in the style of Vangelis. Try to track that down if you can!
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Ooh, what a Lucky Girl she was... (Lucky Girl doesn't sound like Lucky Man).

Spartacus is good, with Illusions on a Double Dimple I really like a lot of "Mister Ten Percent" and the bonus tracks on the remaster. Don't get me wrong Doug, and I think I made that The Nice joke before, just because it reminds me of ELP and The Nice (Keith Emerson), it has its own flavourings too throughout albums (and other influences), but that ELP influence sounds pretty obvious at least in the early albums, and Jurgen compares pretty favourably to Keith. Nothing wrong with that.

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I think they are that band that sound just a tiny bit like ELP. LOL
 

According to Doug, they do NOT. They sound like T'rat. LOL


The debut album, Mediterranean Tales, sounds quite nice -- sounds quite The Nice that is.
 

LOLWink

I recently revisited the first three albums.

Mediterranean Tales was a bit of a chore, I'm afraid. Yeah, it's not an outright ELP lampoon album, but you know Jurgen wants to be Keith. 

Illusions on a Double Dimple is a bit better, but for me, it lacks some oomph.

Spartacus — a clear winner as far as symphonic keyboard trio prog goes.

Ditto for Old Loves Die Hard.

So, Spartacus and OLDH remain the ones I'll hang on to. I'm not interested in anything they did post-OLDH.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I think they are that band that sound just a tiny bit like ELP. LOL
 

According to Doug, they do NOT. They sound like T'rat. LOL


The debut album, Mediterranean Tales, sounds quite nice -- sounds quite The Nice that is.
Seriously, they have their own, inimitable "vibe" or atmosphere to their music-they are truly unique-definitely a group in their own right.
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