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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15156 |
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Although I personally don't feel much affected by this discussion, this (and what several others wrote in the same vein) makes me think that if Vander were simply fascinated by Hitler/Nazi culture/fascism but wouldn't support it at all, what would stop him from just saying so unambiguously and clearing the air?
Nope.
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The Anders ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 02 2019 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3535 |
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Hm well, what can I say? I am a big admirer if Richard Wagner as a composer and artistic visionary. He clearly had some views that are not very nice, and his work has been used in some not very nice ways too. But if you just take his work for what it is and focus on the art more than the artist, it is amazing with multiple musical and artistic layers and many ways if interpretation. It is up to the perceiver how (s)he wants to understand it. But I know people who won't listen to Wagner because of its historical connotations, and I understand it and respect it.
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Tendiwa ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 14 2020 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 109 |
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Well put!
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37307 |
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I'm fascinated by many things of which I don't approve.
I'm fascinated with the Heaven's Gate cult, and have really researched it, referenced it, and listened to so much about it, but it doesn't mean I would follow it, support it, or go join a cult. I feel terrible for all those negatively affected by it. Part of it is just wanting to understand, and make sense of horrible things. I'm interested in psychology, sociology and philosophy, and history, and those interests intersect with many disturbing things. Edited by Logan - April 03 2020 at 14:49 |
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Tendiwa ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 14 2020 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 109 |
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I can understand that someone has a fascination for something that he doesn't necessarily approve of. Lots of people find the dark and violent side of humanity fascinating. Even something as vile as Nazi history. For instance because of the mysticism surrounding it, or the grandiose of its aesthetics. And I absolutely hate fascism and everything about it.
Even if Christian Vander has some dubious ways or beliefs, I doubt that he really is a supported of nazi ideology. Because fascists are usually obvious and not very secretive. Can we talk about music again?
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I haven't read through all five pages of this so I don't know if it's been mentioned yet but Lemmy from Motorhead(and Hawkwind)collected Nazi memorabilia and I'm pretty sure he wasn't a racist. In fact I'm pretty sure he dated a black woman at one point if I'm not mistaken.
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hellogoodbye ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP member Joined: August 29 2011 Location: Troy Status: Offline Points: 7251 |
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Les passages sous cocaïne de David Bowie l'amènent à développer une fascination pour Adolf Hitler et le nazisme. "Il ne les admirait pas, ne les aimait pas, mais il était fasciné par eux", explique l'un de ses proches, Glen Hughes. "Il ne voulait que regarder encore et encore des films à propos des nazis. Il n'a jamais fait de salut nazi, c'était juste une fascination."
David Bowie’s cocaine passages lead him to develop a fascination for Adolf Hitler and Nazism. " He didn’t admire them, didn’t like them, but he was fascinated by them," explains one of his relatives, Glen Hughes. "He just wanted to watch more and more movies about the Nazis. He never did a Nazi salute, it was just a fascination." |
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Tendiwa ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 14 2020 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 109 |
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I have listened to Baba Yaga La Sorcière. MDK with adapted lyrics sung a children's choir. I like the music, but I would rather hear a more tight and full bodied sounding adult choir. Their are a few somewhat older girls singing, however, I think to keep things together. Still, it's a fun change to hear this version.
You can hear it on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUa9h5Jsm54
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Tendiwa ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 14 2020 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 109 |
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I have finally listened to The Unnamables. Fun album!
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I have heard of it, but I haven't listened to it yet. Especially Magma's first album is not among my favourites, but nonetheless I will give the Univeria Zekt album a try soon!
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Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to.
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Tendiwa ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 14 2020 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 109 |
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I had encountered Zeuhl a few times in my internet searching, and I had listened to some Magma on Youtube before but it never really clicked until November last year. I listened to MDK and I was blown away. Two months later I had downloaded pretty much all of their albums. I'm baffled that Magma hardly ever gets mentioned along with the other big prog bands from the 70s.
Magma plays not too far from where I live in October and I have tickets! I have very high expectations.
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Man With Hat ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166183 |
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Wow...that's very unfortunate. I do have a soft spot for Top, but Bubu was probably the best bassist Magma has ever had. Interesting to see how this will effect Magma's sound, assuming of course they continue to produce new work. I also hope Bubu starts/joins another band that releases stuff so this top notch playing doesn't sink into the ether.
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
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hieronymous ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 27 2012 Location: Oakland, CA Status: Offline Points: 308 |
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Wow - were they really fired? Not a simple mutual parting of ways?
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 21339 |
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News -
Magma fired their bassist (Philippe Bussonnet), their keyboard player (Jérome Martineau-Ricotti), and their vibes player (Benoit Alziary) last week. Replaced by Simon Goubert, Jannick Top's son and the third new member is a keyboard player named Thierry Eliez
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Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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hahahaha.. a curse Ian... deification thereof. I used to think being ohjectified and lusted after was cool, and it was back in the day, these days it freaks me out. Old age has tamed the monster finally I suppose.
Just the other week it was right out of a diet coke commerical I was out digging a trench in that 105 degree heat shirt off and caught a group of women watching me and talking and giggling amongst themselves. I looked up and one of the licked her lips at me. yeah.. it is a curse man.. I am not just a body and a killer ass.. I have a mind, soul and feelings hahaha
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 21339 |
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Delusional, definition thereof.
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Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
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