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Originally posted by Tendiwa Tendiwa wrote:

I can understand that someone has a fascination for something that he doesn't necessarily approve of. Lots of people find the dark and violent side of humanity fascinating. Even something as vile as Nazi history. For instance because of the mysticism surrounding it, or the grandiose of its aesthetics. And I absolutely hate fascism and everything about it. 
Even if Christian Vander has some dubious ways or beliefs, I doubt that he really is a supported of nazi ideology. Because fascists are usually obvious and not very secretive.
Although I personally don't feel much affected by this discussion, this (and what several others wrote in the same vein) makes me think that if Vander were simply fascinated by Hitler/Nazi culture/fascism but wouldn't support it at all, what would stop him from just saying so unambiguously and clearing the air? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Anders Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2020 at 15:27
Hm well, what can I say? I am a big admirer if Richard Wagner as a composer and artistic visionary. He clearly had some views that are not very nice, and his work has been used in some not very nice ways too. But if you just take his work for what it is and focus on the art more than the artist, it is amazing with multiple musical and artistic layers and many ways if interpretation. It is up to the perceiver how (s)he wants to understand it.

But I know people who won't listen to Wagner because of its historical connotations, and I understand it and respect it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tendiwa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2020 at 14:55
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I'm fascinated by many things of which I don't approve.

I'm fascinated with the Heaven's Gate cult, and have really researched it, referenced it, and listened to so much about it, but it doesn't mean I would follow it, support it, or go join a cult. I feel terrible for all those negatively affected by it. Part of it is just wanting to understand, and make sense of horrible things. I'm interested in psychology, sociology and philosophy, and history, and those interests intersect with many disturbing things.
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I'm fascinated by many things of which I don't approve.

I'm fascinated with the Heaven's Gate cult, and have really researched it, referenced it, and listened to so much about it, but it doesn't mean I would follow it, support it, or go join a cult. I feel terrible for all those negatively affected by it. Part of it is just wanting to understand, and make sense of horrible things. I'm interested in psychology, sociology and philosophy, and history, and those interests intersect with many disturbing things.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tendiwa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2020 at 14:32
I can understand that someone has a fascination for something that he doesn't necessarily approve of. Lots of people find the dark and violent side of humanity fascinating. Even something as vile as Nazi history. For instance because of the mysticism surrounding it, or the grandiose of its aesthetics. And I absolutely hate fascism and everything about it. 
Even if Christian Vander has some dubious ways or beliefs, I doubt that he really is a supported of nazi ideology. Because fascists are usually obvious and not very secretive.

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I haven't read through all five pages of this so I don't know if it's been mentioned yet but Lemmy from Motorhead(and Hawkwind)collected Nazi memorabilia and I'm pretty sure he wasn't a racist. In fact I'm pretty sure he dated a black woman at one point if I'm not mistaken.
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Les passages sous cocaïne de David Bowie l'amènent à développer une fascination pour Adolf Hitler et le nazisme. "Il ne les admirait pas, ne les aimait pas, mais il était fasciné par eux", explique l'un de ses proches, Glen Hughes. "Il ne voulait que regarder encore et encore des films à propos des nazis. Il n'a jamais fait de salut nazi, c'était juste une fascination."

David Bowie’s cocaine passages lead him to develop a fascination for Adolf Hitler and Nazism. " He didn’t admire them, didn’t like them, but he was fascinated by them," explains one of his relatives, Glen Hughes. "He just wanted to watch more and more movies about the Nazis. He never did a Nazi salute, it was just a fascination."
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tendiwa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2020 at 00:39
I have listened to Baba Yaga La Sorcière. MDK with adapted lyrics sung a children's choir. I like the music, but I would rather hear a more tight and full bodied sounding adult choir. Their are a few somewhat older girls singing, however, I think to keep things together. Still, it's a fun change to hear this version.

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I have finally listened to The Unnamables. Fun album!
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Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Do you know Magma has made album "the Unnamables" under name Univeria Zekt? It´s not long ago I found it although listened Magma much longer. It´s also really great, if you like their two first albums, you will like that one too!
It's worth checking out for sure if you dig Magma, but FWIW I like the first two Magma albums and still didn't get a lot out of Univeria Zekt.

Maybe you should listen it again. I am just listening it (there is some time from my last listening and I just wonder did I remember wrong) and when knowing you melodic Finnish prog friend, it´s odd if you don´t get anything from it. Partly it really is into more ordinary jazzrock, but there are also same kind of great melodies as in first album.
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Originally posted by Tendiwa Tendiwa wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Tendiwa Tendiwa wrote:

I had encountered Zeuhl a few times in my internet searching, and I had listened to some Magma on Youtube before but it never really clicked until November last year. I listened to MDK and I was blown away. Two months later I had downloaded pretty much all of their albums. I'm baffled that Magma hardly ever gets mentioned along with the other big prog bands from the 70s.

Magma plays not too far from where I live in October and I have tickets! I have very high expectations.
Do you know Magma has made album "the Unnamables" under name Univeria Zekt? It´s not long ago I found it although listened Magma much longer. It´s also really great, if you like their two first albums, you will like that one too!
I have heard of it, but I haven't listened to it yet. Especially Magma's first album is not among my favourites, but nonetheless I will give the Univeria Zekt album a try soon!
If you don´t like first Magma (my fav album of theirs) it´s possible you don´t like that much also the Unnamables. It´s quite the same direction as those two first albums, but maybe go little more into jazzrock of that time.
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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Tendiwa Tendiwa wrote:

I had encountered Zeuhl a few times in my internet searching, and I had listened to some Magma on Youtube before but it never really clicked until November last year. I listened to MDK and I was blown away. Two months later I had downloaded pretty much all of their albums. I'm baffled that Magma hardly ever gets mentioned along with the other big prog bands from the 70s.

Magma plays not too far from where I live in October and I have tickets! I have very high expectations.
Do you know Magma has made album "the Unnamables" under name Univeria Zekt? It´s not long ago I found it although listened Magma much longer. It´s also really great, if you like their two first albums, you will like that one too!
I have heard of it, but I haven't listened to it yet. Especially Magma's first album is not among my favourites, but nonetheless I will give the Univeria Zekt album a try soon!
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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Do you know Magma has made album "the Unnamables" under name Univeria Zekt? It´s not long ago I found it although listened Magma much longer. It´s also really great, if you like their two first albums, you will like that one too!
It's worth checking out for sure if you dig Magma, but FWIW I like the first two Magma albums and still didn't get a lot out of Univeria Zekt.

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Originally posted by Tendiwa Tendiwa wrote:

I had encountered Zeuhl a few times in my internet searching, and I had listened to some Magma on Youtube before but it never really clicked until November last year. I listened to MDK and I was blown away. Two months later I had downloaded pretty much all of their albums. I'm baffled that Magma hardly ever gets mentioned along with the other big prog bands from the 70s.

Magma plays not too far from where I live in October and I have tickets! I have very high expectations.
Do you know Magma has made album "the Unnamables" under name Univeria Zekt? It´s not long ago I found it although listened Magma much longer. It´s also really great, if you like their two first albums, you will like that one too!
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I had encountered Zeuhl a few times in my internet searching, and I had listened to some Magma on Youtube before but it never really clicked until November last year. I listened to MDK and I was blown away. Two months later I had downloaded pretty much all of their albums. I'm baffled that Magma hardly ever gets mentioned along with the other big prog bands from the 70s.

Magma plays not too far from where I live in October and I have tickets! I have very high expectations.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

News - 

Magma fired their bassist (Philippe Bussonnet), their keyboard player (Jérome Martineau-Ricotti), and their vibes player (Benoit Alziary) last week.

Replaced by Simon Goubert, Jannick Top's son and the third new member is a keyboard player named Thierry Eliez
 

Wow...that's very unfortunate. I do have a soft spot for Top, but Bubu was probably the best bassist Magma has ever had. 

Interesting to see how this will effect Magma's sound, assuming of course they continue to produce new work. I also hope Bubu starts/joins another band that releases stuff so this top notch playing doesn't sink into the ether. 
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

News - 

Magma fired their bassist (Philippe Bussonnet), their keyboard player (Jérome Martineau-Ricotti), and their vibes player (Benoit Alziary) last week.

Replaced by Simon Goubert, Jannick Top's son and the third new member is a keyboard player named Thierry Eliez

Wow - were they really fired? Not a simple mutual parting of ways?
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News - 

Magma fired their bassist (Philippe Bussonnet), their keyboard player (Jérome Martineau-Ricotti), and their vibes player (Benoit Alziary) last week.

Replaced by Simon Goubert, Jannick Top's son and the third new member is a keyboard player named Thierry Eliez
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hahahaha..   a curse Ian...  deification thereof. I used to think being ohjectified and lusted after was cool, and it was back in the day, these days it freaks me out.  Old age has tamed the monster finally I suppose.

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yeah.. it is a curse man..  I am not just a body and a killer ass..  I have a mind, soul and feelings hahaha
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