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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2011 at 21:06
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I suppose I can understand not being a fan of his tone, though it was one of the richest, heaviest in the history of rock (see a wildly unsuccessful thread I started on this subject; http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78681 -), but Rhoads was absolutely without any doubt not just another metal guitarist.   He wasn't just 'classically influenced and trained', he was one of the finest guitar players in the world, and that's just his classical (which everyone and their gardener was waiting in line to learn)--  his rock playing made such a deep impact I don't even think many realize how deep it was.    Particularly his approach to rhythm and songwriting was quite fresh and most of the metal that came after utilized his up/down patterns, taking the sense of swing in hard rock Jimmy Page and Tony Iommi had founded a step or two further.  Not to mention his extraordinary taste, solos and fills, and musicalogic knowledge.

Rhoads was a true master, unlike most of his peers who were happy to get by on warmed-over blues riffs and clichéd song structures.   Further, Diary of a Madman is not only a brilliantly conceived album that set a standard so high it turned out to be impossible to match, but was one of the first progressive metal records.


Quite the convincing argument Atavachron!Smile Your right, I was wrong to say that he was just a metal player because yes he was a highly influential player and had a lot of ecletic inluences, I'd say. I'm just not that keen to the metal approach of the guitar. Not a big fan of over the top distortion, shred all the time solos and cliche tapping. I just find that a lot of metal (especially nowdays) sounds all the same and lacks, originality, uniqueness and imagination.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2011 at 22:28
I suppose I can understand not being a fan of his tone, though it was one of the richest, heaviest in the history of rock (see a wildly unsuccessful thread I started on this subject; http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78681 -), but Rhoads was absolutely without any doubt not just another metal guitarist.   He wasn't just 'classically influenced and trained', he was one of the finest guitar players in the world, and that's just his classical (which everyone and their gardener was waiting in line to learn)--  his rock playing made such a deep impact I don't even think many realize how deep it was.    Particularly his approach to rhythm and songwriting was quite fresh and most of the metal that came after utilized his up/down patterns, taking the sense of swing in hard rock Jimmy Page and Tony Iommi had founded a step or two further.  Not to mention his extraordinary taste, solos and fills, and musicalogic knowledge.

Rhoads was a true master, unlike most of his peers who were happy to get by on warmed-over blues riffs and clichéd song structures.   Further, Diary of a Madman is not only a brilliantly conceived album that set a standard so high it turned out to be impossible to match, but was one of the first progressive metal records.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2011 at 22:01
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 ^ hmm, like Randy Rhoads.. great little box, used to have a buddy with one
Ya Randy did use it on the first 2 Ozzy solo albums, I believe. Not fan of his tone though and the only thing I like about his guitar playing is that he's classically influenced and trained, but other than that he's just another metal guitarist.. Actually in fact I'm not a fan of an Ozzy music except for Black Sabbath (a bit).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2011 at 21:56
Originally posted by clarkpegasus4001 clarkpegasus4001 wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

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Wasn't sure if this falled under Tech Talk or Musician's exchange but whatever. Anyways, Does anybody know what kind of distortion Alex used in the late 70's/early 80's (Farewell To Kings - Moving Pictures). He has probably my favourite guitar tone ever, along with Stephen Hacketts, and he's never really publicly discussed before. Was he just using his Amplifier distortion or did he have various pedals? I know he used Hiwatts and Marshalls along with a lot of Chorus.
it's a good question--  I don't see why Lifeson would need external distortion but I guess it's possible he would occasionally hit one, but if anything it would've diminished his gain.


I was a big fan of Rush at the time. As far as I can remember he used an MXR Distortion+ and an MXR Micro Amp.
Wow really? Would have never guessed. I've never really tried out any MXR's and I probably should since there so highly acclaimed and celebrated. I have a Boss DS-1 and you can sort of get some of Alex's tones but the overall sound of the pedal is not very appealing to me. For example on my guitar, Ibanez RG321MHUnhappy, if you switch to the neck pickup, turn your guitar tone a bit down and have the pedal tone eq at midway and have the distortion at about just after 3 qaurters, I get a really good Jacob's Ladder tone. Mind you, I have to feed it through some chorus too which I have a Electro Harmonix Small Clone and its a really nice pedal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2011 at 16:00
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

 ^ hmm, like Randy Rhoads.. great little box, used to have a buddy with one


Yes that's right. I used to own both those pedals when I played guitar in 1981. I actually had another Distortion + pedal that I sold last year to a friend. The pedal apparently belonged to guitarist Robert Quine. I didn't know that when I bought it, I was told after I had already purchased it from the seller. I had never heard of him myself but I hear he was big on the "punk" scene? he had apparently passed away.
I sold it because it wasn't getting used anymore and it "ate" batteries for some unknown reason!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2011 at 00:57
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2011 at 00:28
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks Fox On The Rocks wrote:

Wasn't sure if this falled under Tech Talk or Musician's exchange but whatever. Anyways, Does anybody know what kind of distortion Alex used in the late 70's/early 80's (Farewell To Kings - Moving Pictures). He has probably my favourite guitar tone ever, along with Stephen Hacketts, and he's never really publicly discussed before. Was he just using his Amplifier distortion or did he have various pedals? I know he used Hiwatts and Marshalls along with a lot of Chorus.
it's a good question--  I don't see why Lifeson would need external distortion but I guess it's possible he would occasionally hit one, but if anything it would've diminished his gain.


I was a big fan of Rush at the time. As far as I can remember he used an MXR Distortion+ and an MXR Micro Amp.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2011 at 19:41
Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks Fox On The Rocks wrote:

Wasn't sure if this falled under Tech Talk or Musician's exchange but whatever. Anyways, Does anybody know what kind of distortion Alex used in the late 70's/early 80's (Farewell To Kings - Moving Pictures). He has probably my favourite guitar tone ever, along with Stephen Hacketts, and he's never really publicly discussed before. Was he just using his Amplifier distortion or did he have various pedals? I know he used Hiwatts and Marshalls along with a lot of Chorus.
it's a good question--  I don't see why Lifeson would need external distortion but I guess it's possible he would occasionally hit one, but if anything it would've diminished his gain.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2011 at 19:33
Wasn't sure if this falled under Tech Talk or Musician's exchange but whatever. Anyways, Does anybody know what kind of distortion Alex used in the late 70's/early 80's (Farewell To Kings - Moving Pictures). He has probably my favourite guitar tone ever, along with Stephen Hacketts, and he's never really publicly discussed before. Was he just using his Amplifier distortion or did he have various pedals? I know he used Hiwatts and Marshalls along with a lot of Chorus.
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