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Evolver
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Crossover & JR/F/Canterbury Teams
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Posted: October 20 2011 at 21:24 |
I don't find swears offensive. In fact, they can be helpful in accentuating a point. That said, we are members here. We do not own the server, the software or the Internet connection the web site uses. There are reasons a web host may not want language like that on the site. First and foremost is accessability. There are plent of places that use net-nannies and the like that block web sites. A lot of these are libraries, where some people without Internet can go to get online. Whether the operators of these facilities are right or wrong is not the issue. However, I think we want as many people as possible to be able to get to the site. There is no reason that we members, discussing music and whatever, have to swear to make a point. Oh, and f**k.
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Anthony H.
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Posted: October 20 2011 at 19:25 |
Epignosis wrote:
I am fine with the censor. I don't know why it's a big deal. If you don't know what f**k is when you see it written this way, then you don't need to know.
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That's pretty much another way of saying that it's pointless. So, why can't it just be done away with?
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Epignosis
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Posted: October 20 2011 at 19:13 |
I am fine with the censor. I don't know why it's a big deal. If you don't know what f**k is when you see it written this way, then you don't need to know.
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Dean
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Posted: October 20 2011 at 19:10 |
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thellama73
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Posted: October 20 2011 at 19:09 |
How about we leave the swear censor the way it is, except on April Fool's it should replace ordinary words with swear words?
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Dean
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Posted: October 20 2011 at 19:00 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
A different forum I'm on does that. It was funny at first, but you'd need a system that randomly selects from a long list. The words "fridge" and "shirley" get more annoying to see than the expletives they replace
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That's sort-of the whole point - those replacement words get old very quickly, but so do the words they replace. While through overuse we are inured to hearing swearing most of the time in our daily lives to the extend that we neither hear it or even notice we are using it, its constant repetition in print is just tiresome on the eyes.
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Dean
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Posted: October 20 2011 at 18:50 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Yes, I believe it's necesary to keep a certain level, and in my case, the only problem I had was with a band's name it was SWEATWATER, until I learned a trick, it looked like this SWEAT**TER, but it wasn't as ridiculous as the Genesis forum
They changed the name Dick, for the word Thingy, so when I wrote about Iron Maiden, the post read "Bruce Thingyson" 
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Well, that's been fixed now and you don't need to use any tricks to get around it. So if you could remove the *trick* from your post so that it does not encourage the weak-willed and easily led to copy you that would be lovely.
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Icarium
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Joined: March 21 2008
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Posted: October 20 2011 at 18:29 |
I have heard about this Thingyson he is very good to sing ive heard,
i have yet to read the books Charles Thingsens
Edited by aginor - October 20 2011 at 18:30
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: October 20 2011 at 18:23 |
Yes, I believe it's necesary to keep a certain level, and in my case, the only problem I had was with a band's name it was SWEAT WATER, until I learned a trick, it looked like this SWEAT**TER, but it wasn't as ridiculous as the Genesis forum
They changed the name Dick, for the word Thingy, so when I wrote about Iron Maiden, the post read "Bruce Thingyson" 
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - October 20 2011 at 19:23
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The Doctor
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Posted: October 20 2011 at 18:22 |
Dean wrote:
HottiePlainview wrote:
[QUOTE=Dean]In case the message hasn't got through yet: over-reliance on the auto-censor will result in a warning. |
Then the auto-censor should censor to something that is not immediately recognizable as a particular word.
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I once proposed using nonsensical replacements of all the auto-censored words - needless to say this was taken completely the wrong way by absolutely everyone, humourless bunch that they are.[/QUOTE; I was just thinking about that myself. Whatever happened to that idea? I suggest using Evolver's Spock for the f word. "Spock you", "Go Spock yourself", "God, I need to get Spocked tonight", "Spocking A", etc.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: October 20 2011 at 18:21 |
Ah, yeah, I see how it works now. I'm just glad it didn't apply retroactively...Although I kind of wanted to be a PA celebrity. ;-)
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: October 20 2011 at 18:21 |
A different forum I'm on does that. It was funny at first, but you'd need a system that randomly selects from a long list. The words "fridge" and "shirley" get more annoying to see than the expletives they replace
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Dean
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Posted: October 20 2011 at 18:21 |
aginor wrote:
one could stil use the unsensoured yet very profaned word bitch as in bitchslapp or Bitches Brew, and so on,
i think that word should be censored since i find it offenceive (and i doubt i am the only one, i know of many ways to use it in ways in which could perma ban me, not that i aim for that, but i know how to make it sting)
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II understand what you are saying, but context and how the word is used is all important on words that have multiple meanings - the auto-censor is too dumb to know context, which is why we have such fun with pocketwatch and the like. I would not like to see Miles Davis censored to B*tches Brew, but anyone who uses bitch or bitchslap on the forum should be extremely careful in how they use it since with or without censorship, it can still be offensive and will be taken as such..
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Icarium
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Posted: October 20 2011 at 18:16 |
one could stil use the unsensoured yet very profaned word bitch as in bitchslapp or Bitches Brew, and so on,
i think that word should be censored since i find it offenceive (and i doubt i am the only one, i know of many ways to use it in ways in which could perma ban me, not that i aim for that, but i know how to make it sting)
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Dean
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Posted: October 20 2011 at 18:15 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
Dean, while I am honored to get my own word filter, could you please add a space? Without one it lacks a certain...je ne sais quoi. I hope the original text is not replaced on the server. :S
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 Ah I see - no, that wasn't me this time. Now the giggle has passed, I've removed it.
/edit - and no, the original isn't retained on the server - the autocensor replaces on input, which is why is flicks up URLs.
Edited by Dean - October 20 2011 at 18:17
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Andy Webb
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Posted: October 20 2011 at 18:10 |
That would be amazing. 
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: October 20 2011 at 18:03 |
Dean, while I am honored to get my own word filter, could you please add a space? Without one it lacks a certain...je ne sais quoi. I hope the original text is not replaced on the server. :S
Deathrabbit wrote:
except with normal words, just to screw with ppl. |
Yeah, that's really annoying and you shouldn't do it. I am opposed to word filters of any kind, although I understand why PA has it and why it won't change. It is too bad Dean's thread derailed because I think that would have been a better solution for the stance the administration takes, although it would also make me unable to swear at all without breaking the rules. :(
Edited by Henry Plainview - October 20 2011 at 18:04
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Dean
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Posted: October 20 2011 at 17:44 |
Deathrabbit wrote:
Okay, I thought that's what you were advocating.I still disagree with any kind of censorship as a rule of thumb, but that's not as bad as slapping a warning on everyone who says something that gets censored.
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I disagree with all kinds of censorship bar one. Unfortunately the "bar one" cannot be relied upon, and that is self-censorship, because people are not very good at it.
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Failcore
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Posted: October 20 2011 at 17:43 |
I remember that thread. I thought it was a good idea and I actually did that on my forum for a while as a result, except with normal words, just to screw with ppl.
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Dean
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Posted: October 20 2011 at 17:41 |
HottiePlainview wrote:
Dean wrote:
In case the message hasn't got through yet: over-reliance on the auto-censor will result in a warning. |
Then the auto-censor should censor to something that is not immediately recognizable as a particular word.
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I once proposed using nonsensical replacements of all the auto-censored words - needless to say this was taken completely the wrong way by absolutely everyone, humourless bunch that they are.
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