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James Lee
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 17:59 |
Jeremy Spade wrote:
It is apparent from the articulate and educated posts circulating on this site, that we admirers of progressive rock are in every way more endowed intellectually. Rap and RnB artists alike have atrocious grammar skills, and inspire the same traits in their fans. Just consider some of these embarrassing errors: |
Favorite rythm section
the best porg bands ever
and that's just from "active topics"
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Peter
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 17:43 |
That is sometimes true (some of the otherwise fine folks here seem to be rather narrow in their tastes and views) but it's rather a broad generalization, no? We are typically serious, dedicated music fans, but that does not necessarily mean that we like only "serious" music. I'm sure that serious fans of genres like classical, folk, traditional, (pure) country, jazz, bluegrass, early music, metal, etc., can be quite knowledgable/fanatic about their loves too.
I was a "progsnob" in my teens, but my tastes are quite diverse now.
I like music to have heart, or at least intelligence, and those traits are by no means exclusive to prog.
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Spanky
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 17:41 |
This is a bad poll. I was able to vote 40 times on it; therefore, it must be bad.
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AngelRat
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 17:40 |
I think proggers have a longer attention span than poppers. We can listen to 30 minute epics with lots of solos while poppers like 3 minute songs with the chorus being repeated over and over again. So we pay more attention at things going on within the music and listen closely at every detail. Does that make us superior or are we bored?
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King of Loss
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 17:17 |
Why are commercial music listeners such obtuse morons?
Exactly! Why would you ever call hip hop and emo music?
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Jim Prog Wizard
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 11:19 |
I agree with the assertion that prog is very much an album-orientated type of music. The vast majority of prog albums I own I can listen to all the way through without having to skip anything.
The point is IMO that prog just makes so much more of music, uses all the potential of the musical canvas, if you will. While listening to Neal Morse earlier today, I was struck by just HOW MUCH was going on in his music, not necessarily at the same time, but throughout the course of an album. Popular music is based very much on a simple chord progression and melody. It almost seems a waste to listen to something like that when you could listen to something that pushes music to it's limits, and uses many interesting melodies and chords.
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"Progressive Rock is the ultimate form of music" (Mikael Akerfeldt, 2003)
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mirco
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 08:44 |
Blacksword wrote:
mirco wrote:
A big difference between proggers and poppers is that we can listen to music made thirty years ago and still enjoy it, but pop music has expiration date. Every season a new bunch of tunes is release and substitutes at the stores shelves the "old" ones, which are rapidly forgotten. How many classic pop songs are still out there, and cherished by pop fans? Very few. We proggers, on the other hand, believe that older is better... |
Not sure about that. Kids still know ABBA songs, 'classic' disco tunes live through re-mixes and re-releases and Elvis 'f***ing' Presley seems to always have some rubbish in the charts. The retro thing is BIG business...just not for prog. Sadly. |
You are naming some exceptions to the rule, in general pop music became rotten very quickly. But of course exist an industry of retro, there is some stock to resell... Another characteristic of pop is the ephimeress of the artists: very few of them survives their first records.
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Please forgive me for my crappy english!
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John Gargo
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 08:38 |
It's because the music that we listen to is almost aggressively anti-single. With pop, the emphasis is on selling the "single," and therefore people that listen to it are contempt to simply listen to the radio or download a song or too... A lot of people often ask me why I bother to buy so many albums, to which I respond back "Well, why don't you buy albums?" Their response is almost always "because there are only one or two good songs on albums." That's simply the way their genre functions... two or three hit singles, and the rest of the album is almost void of entertainment for even those who call themselves rabid fans. It's also no surprise they feel that way, since the radio only plays the hit singles... when was the last time you heard a Britney Spears song on the radio that wasn't commercially released?
Prog, on the other hand, is more album-centered, and that also goes for other album oriented rock (not only that particular genre, but also hard rock, metal, psychedelic, and other uncommercial music like classical, jazz and blues). Because of this, the listener is forced to purchase albums instead of singles, and this in turn eventually leads to the listener being a completionist, because we're not only satsfied with one or two cuts on an album but usually almost all of them, and therefore we have more incentive to seek out other albums from the same artists.
The more that we become experts on our particular bands or subgenres, the more we become somewhat arrogant to our knowledge of the genre... this leads to snobbery.
Those are my thoughts anyway...
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Blacksword
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 08:20 |
mirco wrote:
A big difference between proggers and poppers is that we can listen to music made thirty years ago and still enjoy it, but pop music has expiration date. Every season a new bunch of tunes is release and substitutes at the stores shelves the "old" ones, which are rapidly forgotten. How many classic pop songs are still out there, and cherished by pop fans? Very few. We proggers, on the other hand, believe that older is better... |
Not sure about that. Kids still know ABBA songs, 'classic' disco tunes live through re-mixes and re-releases and Elvis 'f***ing' Presley seems to always have some rubbish in the charts. The retro thing is BIG business...just not for prog. Sadly.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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mirco
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 08:15 |
A big difference between proggers and poppers is that we can listen to music made thirty years ago and still enjoy it, but pop music has expiration date. Every season a new bunch of tunes is release and substitutes at the stores shelves the "old" ones, which are rapidly forgotten. How many classic pop songs are still out there, and cherished by pop fans? Very few. We proggers, on the other hand, believe that older is better...
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Please forgive me for my crappy english!
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 08:05 |
i think its threads like this that make the awareness of you people as snobs a self-perpetuating phenomena....and jeremy im sorry but if you bothered to listen to the love below side of the last outkast album im sure yud be very surprised at how progressive and anti-industry it is...i consider that a prog album ...maybe the best one of the year it came ou tjust because it seems to be soemething both innovative and seminal(introducing an entire genre to experimentation)
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TBWART
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 07:57 |
AngelRat wrote:
The main difference to proggers and commercial music lovers is that we actually LISTEN to the music.
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Hmmm...not true I think. I think it doesn't matter that you can explain why you like something, or that you think that you ''really'' listen to something. Someone who thinks that 50cent is cool, is just as right as someone who can exactly tell you why Bruford is the best drummer in the world for example. It's the way you enjoy something. We enjoy by complete endulgence and severe investigation, others enjoy by thinking music is just cool. Being a snob has to do with fear. If you fear the 'normal' people for whatever reason, you are likely to pretend to be better as a defense mechanism. And knowing a lot about music, and claiming to be artistic etc is pretending to be better. So, being a snob is for some people needfull, because they are afraid that prog will not be accepted, and thus they give it artistic weight, so it MUST be accepted. Snobbism is just a defence mechanism to cloak fear.
I just enjoy my music, I too investigate into styles etc. But I no longer give prog more artistic value than other styles. What makes Mariah Carey less good than YES?? If it is enjoyed by people it is good. There is no better, there is only personal taste.
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''progression is trying to eliminate boundries''
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Xanadu
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 07:29 |
Jeremy Spade wrote:
3. Superior Hygiene.
While I have not accumulated enough evidence to argue this point sufficiently, it should be taken as fact nonetheless.
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It's a longshot, but it might gives us a clue to why we are here...
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"Oh, yes, sitting-the great leveler. From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?"
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Jim Garten
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 07:29 |
To: Jeremy Spade
Out of the mounths of babes, sucklings and Newbies comes forth wisdom; your thesis is purest genius (especially point 3 ) and I bow my head to your intellect, wit and insight.
Welcome to the Forums, Jeremy - don't be a stranger!
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JrKASperov
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 07:07 |
Jeremy Spade wrote:
Some people, in fact MOST people, only identify
with vocals and only care to expose themselfs to what mainstream media
offers.... I think these people care about music, perhaps even as much
as I do... but maybe they just don’t feel the need to listen to
technical sophistication or layered melodies and complex
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Then you just don't really care about music.
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Epic.
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Deadwing12
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 06:55 |
^ That's hilarious! Couldn't have said it better myself!
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Jeremy Spade
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 06:11 |
I can see by the responses this thread generated, that it is a valid topic. Perhaps it hits a little too close to home? Again, I hope my humor wasn’t lost (if anyone noticed, I made all possible responses to be snobish replies), but I do see the points expressed, and can agree with ivan when he says its because "we care for the music we like".
With that said, I would like to present my definitive thesis on the topic at hand.
Why prog fans are superior to all other music fans.
By Jeremy Spade
1. Superior Intellect.
It is apparent from the articulate and educated posts circulating on this site, that we admirers of progressive rock are in every way more endowed intellectually. Rap and RnB artists alike have atrocious grammar skills, and inspire the same traits in their fans. Just consider some of these embarrassing errors:
50 cent - The plurality of the number "50" demands cent to be cents, BAFOON!
NSYNC - This is apparently an attempt to spell "In Sync" Sync being an abbreviation for "synchronization" which they so clearly do not have, with the exception of their sheer stupidity.
OutKast - need I say more???
2. Superior Skill.
As noted earlier on this thread, a strong majority of progressive rock fans are musicians themselves. This would give listeners of the prog genre an obvious advantage in determining what music is "good" and what music is fit for ridiculing. Imagine regular laymen trying to dictate the engineering science behind NASA! This would result in terrible disaster! Leave the rocket science to the rocket scientists fools! Conclusion: Prog fans are the "Rocket Scientists" of music fans.
3. Superior Hygiene.
While I have not accumulated enough evidence to argue this point sufficiently, it should be taken as fact nonetheless.
4. Superior Senses.
Prog fans are able to pick up on every small detail in the music we listen to. When was the last time you heard a discussion on the subtle nuances of Green Day? Regular music fans have neither the finely tuned hearing, nor the receptive instinct that comes innate with prog fans.
Final Conclusion:
Just as man rules over animal, so the prog fan should rightfully rule over the inferior breed. The overwhelming evidence presented in this thesis is irrefutable. All disagreements of this thesis will be disregarded.
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PROGMAN
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 06:05 |
I'm open to all Rock Music well the real artists anyway! Whether it's Prog, Psych, Punk, Metal etc etc I like them all so I guess that dosen't make me a snob!
Well I HOPE not.
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Blacksword
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 03:27 |
I must seem like a horrible snob to my work colleagues, when it comes to music. I cant/wont listern to daytime radio. My colleagues listern to the worst possible daytime radio. LOCAL RADIO!! So there is a playlist of about 20 tracks which are seemingly just repeated in a loop, punctuated by news bulletins about village fetes, cats stuck up trees, and depressing travel information hi-lighting how awful our roads are.
Luckilly I am able to play my CD's quietly in a side room, and its never attracted many comments, although strangely enough I was playing Jethro Tull once and one of my team said 'That sounds quite good. Its a bit different' I told her it was JT and she pulled a face and said 'Oh God they were terrible'
Generally I dont think prog fans are snobs. I understand why they may seem that way to 'outsiders' but it is, as ivan says, because they care about the music and regard it to be more than just frivellous entertainment. To be honest I have friends who are DJ's and are experts on Chicago House, and Detroit Techno. Believe me, in terms of snobbery they could give any of us a run for our money. Listerning to that lot harping on about rare vinyl, and intense beats is like being at a convention of trainspotters on speed!!
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AngelRat
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Posted: April 26 2005 at 03:25 |
The main difference to proggers and commercial music lovers is that we actually LISTEN to the music.
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