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Points: 21615 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2007 at 02:52
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by trauma0 trauma0 wrote:

PFM IS Nš1 FOR ME!!!

 
how can I get it in the States, how? CryCryCryCryCryCryCryCry (I mean, I could get it in Amazon for like 50$....Is it worthy of 50 DOLLARS????)
 
 
Syn Phonic (Greg Walker) has it for 32$
 
Doug Larson has it for 32$
 
Wayside has it for 34$
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


With the words of Eric Cartman: "Someone should kick them in the nuts!".

There are much more obscure bands which manage to make their music available at normal prices.
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Points: 21615 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2007 at 02:49
^ I guess it's because the album is quite obscure - few people know it, it's not available on Amazon etc..
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Points: 1356 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2007 at 02:40
I'm surprised that Frost's Milliontown got into the list rather than Mindgames' Actors in a Play. The latter is a much higher quality Neo-Prog release, IMO.
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Points: 1170 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2007 at 00:39
I'm surprised that "Dowsing Anemone with Copper Tongue" got number one. I love that album to death, but it's incredibly hard to get into especially tracks like "___ on Limpid Form" (one of my favorites).
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Points: 2760 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2007 at 12:43
I've been listening to Novembre's Materia and Pure Reason Revolution's The Dark Third recently, and both are quite good, especially PRR's debut.  
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Points: 73 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2007 at 12:28
Kayo Dot kicks something serious.

A little dissapointed Mars Volta isn't any higher, but hey.
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 17:20
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by trauma0 trauma0 wrote:

PFM IS Nš1 FOR ME!!!

 
how can I get it in the States, how? CryCryCryCryCryCryCryCry (I mean, I could get it in Amazon for like 50$....Is it worthy of 50 DOLLARS????)
 
 
Syn Phonic (Greg Walker) has it for 32$
 
Doug Larson has it for 32$
 
Wayside has it for 34$
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Thanks! Smile but it better be good, otherwise I'll send some "friends" to collect from you and maybe help you sleep with the fishes... Big%20smileBig%20smile
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Points: 12625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 16:29
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by trauma0 trauma0 wrote:

PFM IS Nš1 FOR ME!!!

 
how can I get it in the States, how? CryCryCryCryCryCryCryCry (I mean, I could get it in Amazon for like 50$....Is it worthy of 50 DOLLARS????)
 
 
Syn Phonic (Greg Walker) has it for 32$
 
Doug Larson has it for 32$
 
Wayside has it for 34$
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 15:10
Originally posted by trauma0 trauma0 wrote:

PFM IS Nš1 FOR ME!!!

 
how can I get it in the States, how? CryCryCryCryCryCryCryCry (I mean, I could get it in Amazon for like 50$....Is it worthy of 50 DOLLARS????)


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PFM IS Nš1 FOR ME!!!
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a surprising number 1 also for me!

the one I like the most is wild orchids from steve hackett, a complete masterpice!

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Originally posted by dalt99 dalt99 wrote:

Originally posted by dalt99 dalt99 wrote:

Look, Kayo Dot may be a GREAT prog album. I am not disputing that though I disagree it's #1 for 2006. See above (again *sigh*) for the reasons why I say that.
 
Didn't you say at the start that KD was just noise and no melody? Confused
 
 
Yes, and that's what I feel for the most part. I don't like Kayo Dot's new album but I can't dispute that so many people love it. What I am saying is that it may be a great album for the sound it's going for (a sound that I think is awful) but due to the facts that I discussed it's NOT the best prog album of 2006.
 
It's just like if someone said your favorite album of 2006 was terrible - If that person was the ONLY one out of 1000 who holds that view, then there is a 99.99% chance he is wrong. If EVERYONE else besides you out of 1000 people say your favorite album was terrible than there is a 99.99% chance they are right. Assuming of course that they enjoy to some extent the same music you do. I own 8 post-rock albums and like most of them so it's not like I can't stand the genre. Yes, I own many prog-metal albums too. This KD album is going far away from prog metal.
 
We may think this Kayo Dot album was terrible and they may think Hybris is terrible but there would be more that agree with us then with them. However, since there are a large amount that do like the KD album, just because WE don't like it doesn't mean it's not an album that people that like that style should listen to.
 
By the way, PERSONALLY, it's not even in my top 25 for 2006. I've heard and own 28 albums from 2006 including Zaar and Mogwai which were way better than KD imho.
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Have a look at yet another top list of 2006 on my website (http://www.progtology.com) ... maybe you'd like to contribute and add your ratings? Your post sounds like you might like my rating system ... Smile
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Points: 12625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2007 at 20:20
Originally posted by dalt99 dalt99 wrote:

Believe me, there are just as many good, new symphonic prog albums that never get heard as much as they should, just like there are for post rock, RIO and other genres. Cry  It's too bad. Because of your rave reviews on Nemo, I bought the new album and should receive it soon.
 
 
I agree, every subgenre here has their unforunately unknown ones. But for this I am glad we have people like Erik (for Symphonic), Chris (Syzygy), Joren, TP Yuko and Claire(for RIO/Avant), Hugues (Sean) (for everything and Folk and RIO in particular), Andrea Parentin and Andrtea Cortese, Mandy & Raffaella and Micky (for everything Italian and art-rock), Philippe, Olivier & Rico (for everything Kraut and Electronic), Honganji and Adam (Black Velvet (for anything you need you want to know about music - they're like walking encyclopedias), Jody (Progtologist), Bryan and Mike (for Prog Metal), Dick Heath (for jazz and fusion), Eetu (for Psych), Chamberry, Golden Spiral, Jimbo (for post rock), Zac M (for various genres), Atavachron and Sinkadotentree (for various genres) and I could go on and on...
Each one of these do their "work" in their field and try to let others know of the bands in the genres represented here in PA.
 
I think we do have some bands and topics and genres that get more exposure here and repeated discussions and I usually don't join them. But I don't see a strong  inclination to Post Rock and RIO, but I do see more people willing to expose themselves to those genres, which I feel is fine.
If you look at Erik's Symphonic thread, you'll notice it has in a short time passed the RIO Drop In Centre thread, in views and replies. I think the balance is still in favour of that side. But I do see the Prog-Metal side taking over.
 
What we all can do, is review, discuss in the forums and generally let it be known that all those genres can be great and rewarding. We can inform people and learn ourselves of the not-so-known bands, the albums that should get attention (and here I'll mention Yugen again LOL). I do it in my I recommend thread in particular and in other threads as well (I am not too good in writing reviews, and it takes me a lot of time, which I don't have right now, due to work).
 
What I think is a shame is when someone does not look deeper into prog to look for hidden gems. But generally, the forum members here do look and ask! for info and opinios and recommendations.
I'll mention Erik's thread again as a great source of info for people who want to know of the out-of-mainstream Symphonic Prog.
In my I Recommend thread, I try to go over all genres, cause I love them all. I mean that in every one there are many worth listening to that bring pleasure to the listener.
 
To sum it all up, Enjoy the music people and explore. You don't like it, move on and look for something else.
 
 
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Points: 454 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2007 at 20:14
Originally posted by dalt99 dalt99 wrote:

Look, Kayo Dot may be a GREAT prog album. I am not disputing that though I disagree it's #1 for 2006. See above (again *sigh*) for the reasons why I say that.
 
Didn't you say at the start that KD was just noise and no melody? Confused
 
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Yes, and that's what I feel for the most part. I don't like Kayo Dot's new album but I can't dispute that so many people love it. What I am saying is that it may be a great album for the sound it's going for (a sound that I think is awful) but due to the facts that I discussed it's NOT the best prog album of 2006.
 
It's just like if someone said your favorite album of 2006 was terrible - If that person was the ONLY one out of 1000 who holds that view, then there is a 99.99% chance he is wrong. If EVERYONE else besides you out of 1000 people say your favorite album was terrible than there is a 99.99% chance they are right. Assuming of course that they enjoy to some extent the same music you do. I own 8 post-rock albums and like most of them so it's not like I can't stand the genre. Yes, I own many prog-metal albums too. This KD album is going far away from prog metal.
 
We may think this Kayo Dot album was terrible and they may think Hybris is terrible but there would be more that agree with us then with them. However, since there are a large amount that do like the KD album, just because WE don't like it doesn't mean it's not an album that people that like that style should listen to.
 
By the way, PERSONALLY, it's not even in my top 25 for 2006. I've heard and own 28 albums from 2006 including Zaar and Mogwai which were way better than KD imho.


Edited by dalt99 - February 02 2007 at 20:17
Best of 2006 that I've heard:
PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione
Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album)
Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific
2007:
Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon
La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

I must be losing my touch....Confused
 
David, Joey this is getting nowhere. Can we continue any further discussions by PM?
 
Thanks.Stern%20Smile
 
OK Tony, for you I will leave it alone. Smile
 
I want to make it clear though that I was ON topic during most of my posts. I was discussing why I feel that the #1 pick was what it was and not something else. Others seem to be upset that I don't feel it should be the #1 pick and the reasons why but that wasn't my main point.
 
Anyway, I have made myself pretty clear I feel. Embarrassed
 
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Thank you for your intelligent and thoughtful post. You are a class act. I still think that post-rock and RIO is talked about on the boards a LOT more than is consistant with it's popularity. I understand what you are saying when you talk about bands like Zaar and Hamster Theatre that you bring up and don't get many responses about them. Maybe the problem is that most people generally buy the albums that are POPULAR and easily found in the local music store. There may be some people on a fixed budget that can't afford to buy or hear as many albums as we can so they try and get waht is the most popular first.
 
Believe me, there are just as many good, new symphonic prog albums that never get heard as much as they should, just like there are for post rock, RIO and other genres. Cry  It's too bad. Because of your rave reviews on Nemo, I bought the new album and should receive it soon.
 
 
Best of 2006 that I've heard:
PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione
Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album)
Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific
2007:
Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon
La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo
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Frost was awesome. Should've been higher. Agalloch was disappointing to me. Wouldn't have had it on the list. PFM and Steve Hackett are good choices though. Kayo Dot is just noise, though. And I listen to some screwed up music too. I just think KD and even maudlin are hideously overrated. As is Tool. 10KD was poo.
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I must be losing my touch....Confused
 
David, Joey this is getting nowhere. Can we continue any further discussions by PM?
 
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^^

You're right, the number 1 album was probably something by Justin Timeberlake, Ludacris, or Green Day

All of them are clearly superior to anything avant-garde bands have produced

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Oh and once again, for the record

Kayo Dot Is Not Post Rock

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Edited by OpethGuitarist - February 02 2007 at 18:13
back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by dalt99 dalt99 wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Yeah, I mean, it's a VOTE-- the results are counted and we get a list of winners. Heck, my number one album for 2006 was Don Caballero's 'World Class Listening Problem', which as a collab, I nominated. I don't think it even made it onto the final list, but that didn't surprise or bother me and I'd still nominate them today.     

 

Thanks for proving my point. Don Caballero is none other than Post-Rock.  Wink


I don't f**king care what they "are", they were my pick, of the albums I own, for best of 2006. Yeah I like post rock..... and fusion, electronic, symph, prog folk, metal. I think you're just pissed off. Deal with it.
 
Whoa! Who is pissed off? Wink  I am not nor have I ever been "pissed off" about the poll results. I have said that many times in my posts.  I am perfectly fine with the collabs choosing Kayo Dot #1. It's thier OPINIONS. That is not what I am trying to discuss. My points which I think I have made clear many times are these:
 
1. Dowsing Anemone with Copper is NOT the best album of 2006.
 
It IS the best among the opinions of the collabs on this site from all the albums that they have heard, but among ALL prog listeners there are NO facts to back up this pick as being the consensus #1 of 2006.  Clearly PFM, Tool, Hackett and other more rare albums such as from Zaar, Deluge Grander, La Maschera di Cera and Zenit are rated just as high and usually higher than Kayo Dot's new album. Sorry but that's a fact. If you (and I realize that you personally picked a different post-rock cd #1) or anyone else thinks Kayo Dot's CD is the best they have heard in 2006, you would be in the minority overall. Not among the collabs here but overall among the progressive rock community. I could site numorous references to back up my statement such as 1) this site's Top 100 list for 2006 where Kayo Dot is rated #40, 2) Rate Your Music (http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/kayo_dot/dowsing_anemone_with_copper_tongue/)  has the album rated at only 3.72/5 among over 200 ratings, 3) Dowsing Anemone with Copper is rated #17 (that''s SEVENTEEN) of the highest rated prog-metal ONLY albums for 2006 on this site (http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?style_id=19&album_type=1&year=2006) while Steve Hackett is rated number ONE for symph prog for 2006, PFM is rated number ONE for Italian prog for 2006, Mars Volta is rated number ONE for Art Rock for 2006. Kayo Dot may be #1 in consensus for the collabs but it is NOT the best album of 2006. It would be like saying Kraftwerk's album "Ralf & Florian" is the best prog album for 1973. (It ranks #40 for that year)
 
 
2) Due to my #1 point, then there HAS to be a higher than AVERAGE preference among the collabs toward post-rock.
 
The fact that you are a collab and you picked a post-rock album as best for 2006 that didn't even make the top 10 completely proved my points. Don't take that to mean that I think you are wrong for liking post-rock or voting for whoever you want. In fact, I would be interested in what you like about your #1 pick. I enjoy learning about new bands/albums.
 
My points above are logical conclusions that were reached based on statements of facts. I personally don't care much for the new Steve Hackett CD (I would rate it around a 3.5) but the facts prove that it is one of the best albums of the year. My tastes just don't agree. I am NOT saying that Kayo Dot isn't among the best in the post-rock genre for 2006 if not the best. I don't prefer that genre though I do like some bands and albums. It is not however the best album of 2006.

it IS the best for 2006 among those collabs polled however...
 
...and that is just fine with me. Embarrassed


Edited by dalt99 - February 02 2007 at 17:55
Best of 2006 that I've heard:
PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione
Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album)
Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific
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Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon
La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

*sigh*

That's not it at all.

 

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