Should Iron Maiden be classified as Prog-

I know the topic has been discussed a trillion times, but my advice remains:

YES! They should be included!
I don't see many differences with bands like Queensryche and the like, and they have been a great source of inspiration to plenty of progmetal bands who have sprung out from the nineties on (one name for all: Dream Theater)

Same considerations apply to Metallica: where's the big difference between them and, say, Tool? And they use plenty of complex time signatures...

Give these songs a try and you'll tell me:

IRON MAIDEN

• Remember Tomorrow, Phantom of the Opera, Transylvania (Iron Maiden)
• Gengis Khan (Killers)
• Where Eagles Dare, Revelations, To Tame a Land (Piece of Mind)
• Aces High, Two Minutes to Midnight, Powerslave, The Rime of the Ancient Mariner (Powerslave)
• Alexander the Great (Somewhere in Time)
• Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, The Prophecy, Infinite Dreams (Seventh Son of a Seventh Son)
• Mother Russia (No Prayer for the Dying)
• Afraid to shoot strangers (Fear of the Dark)
• Sign of the Cross (The X Factor)
• The Clansman (Virtual XI)
• The Ghost of the Navigator, The Nomad (Brave New World)
• Montsegur, Paschendale, Dance of Death, Journeyman (Dance of Death)
• many tracks on the new "A Matter of Life and Death" album (only listened to it once...I've got to re-examine it)

METALLICA:

• Fight fire with fire (the blending of the intro with the main theme),The Call of Ktulu (Ride the Lightning)
• Master of Puppets, Orion, The Thing That Should not Be (Master of Puppets)
• Blackened, ...And Justice For All, To Live is to Die (...And Justice for All)
• My friend of Misery, The Unforgiven (Metallica)

Dr4Wazo wrote: IMO: no we would have to include Priest, Sabbath and compagny... great bands... not prog...

I don't see why. Those bands aren't nearly as proggy as Maiden. The only other similar band that I feel should be added are Metallica.

Phantom of the Opera, Transylvania, Hallowed Be Thy Name, Powerslave, Rime of the Ancient Mariner, Alexander the Great, the entire Seventh Son album, Sign of the Cross, Paschendale, and the new album are all great prog-metal songs/albums. I'd go with their inclusion as prog related, cause prog metal is too much, cause they arent 100%. if not, i can always check stuff out on them at www.metal-archives.com although that site leans towards the death/black metal side of things too much sometimes

Edited by darkshade - August 31 2006 at 22:43

oh, Mercyful Fate aren't in the prog archives?

Hm.

Joren wrote: General remark: if Iron Maiden would be included, nobody could refuse the addition of Metallica, since they had a considerable influence on prog metal. And when both Iron Maiden AND Metallica are in, many more requests will follow. I actually agree that Iron Maiden might have enough reason to be here in prog related (and they're a great band, without question), but I wouldn't want ProgArchives to lose its focus: prog.

If that's the case, then maybe the whole proto-prog and prog-related subgeneres should be totally wiped out from PA...

Sean Trane wrote: Joren wrote: Sean Trane wrote: Well their laterst album is just as proggy as Seventh Son. And this makes them a harder case to refuse their inclusion. As far as I am concerned this makes two proggy albums out 15 or 16.   Of course this is up to the PM team to decide (I'm not going as far as to say I do not give a hoot either), but if we are to include tem then they could be in prog-related without scandalising/antaginizing  too many members. I think their debut actually contains some of their most proggy moments. Phantom Of The Opera anyone?     Their debut and Killers are more punkmetal than progmetal if you ask me.   Paul DiAnno had a much better voice than Bruce Bruce (Dickinson's real name)

- Punk metal??? It can't get any crazier than this.

- I think Remember Tomorrow, Phantom Of The Opera, Transylvania and Strange World are pretty proggy. Especially Phantom. Apart from that, its simply one of their very best albums.

- I wouldn't say DiAnno had a better voice, but I preferred him as well.

- Bruce Bruce is his real name? I always thought it was just a nickname he had when he was still in Samson.

General remark: if Iron Maiden would be included, nobody could refuse the addition of Metallica, since they had a considerable influence on prog metal. And when both Iron Maiden AND Metallica are in, many more requests will follow. I actually agree that Iron Maiden might have enough reason to be here in prog related (and they're a great band, without question), but I wouldn't want ProgArchives to lose its focus: prog.

Sean Trane wrote: Well their laterst album is just as proggy as Seventh Son. And this makes them a harder case to refuse their inclusion. As far as I am concerned this makes two proggy albums out 15 or 16.   Of course this is up to the PM team to decide (I'm not going as far as to say I do not give a hoot either), but if we are to include tem then they could be in prog-related without scandalising/antaginizing  too many members.

I think their debut actually contains some of their most proggy moments. Phantom Of The Opera anyone?

Well their laterst album is just as proggy as Seventh Son. And this makes them a harder case to refuse their inclusion. As far as I am concerned this makes two proggy albums out 15 or 16.

Maiden is way more prog than most of the Prog-Related bands featured in the archives.

Joren wrote: sularetal wrote: KeyserSoze wrote: Iron Maiden prog?? Ok, we can add Judas Priest and AC/DC into PA as well and then every band in the world...         Why dont priest have prog moments????     kiddin'... Well, actually, the first Judas Priest album is a bit psychedelic, and the second could be classified as something like proto-prog metal. Anyway, I don't think Iron Maiden should be included. They might be influenced by some prog bands, and their music might have a 'proggy feel' sometimes, but not enough to be included, IMO, not even in prog related. The only 'classic' metal band that I would like to see here in prog related is Mercyful Fate. Their first two albums have very proggy moments and I'm sure they influenced prog metal.