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Points: 20414 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2007 at 03:58
Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Hi Michael,
 
upon the few threads that were opened on this band, I had put Split enz on my investigation list, and I finally heard their first three albums.
 
All I knew before was from 1980's True Colors album (the one that came in four different colours artworks (as Genesis would the next year with Abacrap) and they supêrb laser-etched disc. Their subsequent discs (Time & Tide,  Conflicting Emotions etc...) were typically new wave (they looked like Elvis Costello look-alikes). So I had voted no!
 
But I had no idea that the band existed for so long before that one album.
 
 
But upon listening to three of their first four:
 
Second Toughts (76), Dizrythmia (77),  Frenzy (78), I know understand why you ask for their inclusions. Certainly they are no less prog than Queen, 10CC , Roxy Music and other groups that are in prog related. Just like The Sparks, these guys could easily fit in the prog-related category.
 
They used Mellotrons until 78, and although they can be poppy, they are no more than previously mentioned other bands.
 
 
 
However from true Colours onwards .....Dead Yuckkkk!!!!....
 
 
 
Cool I'm glad you've taken the time to find out,  many people make that mistake about Enz being just a New Wave band but when you look at their earlier catalogue when they had a rich and colourful history in prog. They actually in the earlier days performed a 15 minute epic called Nightmare Stampede unfortunately they never rleased a studio version of it,  you can only get a live version of it on a super expensive boxed set,. but yeah they definately deserve a place in prog related.
 
Since that post of mine, I am on their debut called Mental Notes (76 also) and this is their proggiest of them all.
 
Funny how they regressed voluntarily in the 80's, though. they became an electro-pop band.
 
 
Anyway, now if there was a poll, I'd probably say yes to prog-related.


Edited by Sean Trane - February 08 2007 at 03:59
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Points: 1751 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2007 at 21:49
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Hi Michael,
 
upon the few threads that were opened on this band, I had put Split enz on my investigation list, and I finally heard their first three albums.
 
All I knew before was from 1980's True Colors album (the one that came in four different colours artworks (as Genesis would the next year with Abacrap) and they supêrb laser-etched disc. Their subsequent discs (Time & Tide,  Conflicting Emotions etc...) were typically new wave (they looked like Elvis Costello look-alikes). So I had voted no!
 
But I had no idea that the band existed for so long before that one album.
 
 
But upon listening to three of their first four:
 
Second Toughts (76), Dizrythmia (77),  Frenzy (78), I know understand why you ask for their inclusions. Certainly they are no less prog than Queen, 10CC , Roxy Music and other groups that are in prog related. Just like The Sparks, these guys could easily fit in the prog-related category.
 
They used Mellotrons until 78, and although they can be poppy, they are no more than previously mentioned other bands.
 
 
 
However from true Colours onwards
 
 
 
Cool I'm glad you've taken the time to find out,  many people make that mistake about Enz being just a New Wave band but when you look at their earlier catalogue when they had a rich and colourful history in prog. They actually in the earlier days performed a 15 minute epic called Nightmare Stampede unfortunately they never rleased a studio version of it,  you can only get a live version of it on a super expensive boxed set,. but yeah they definately deserve a place in prog related.



  
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Points: 2664 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2007 at 18:04
Gary Numan has had his prog moments too, listen to "ASYLUM" from a Pleasure Principle.
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Presumably all sorts of bands from the late seventies could potentially be included? How about Ultravox (with John Fox) or The Stranglers even? That time was quite experimental although the bands were seen as opposing prog/stadium rock bands like Yes and ELP.

 So is there such a thing as 'new wave prog' or 'punk prog' despite the apparent contradiction? 
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Points: 20414 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2007 at 09:51
Hi Michael,
 
upon the few threads that were opened on this band, I had put Split enz on my investigation list, and I finally heard their first three albums.
 
All I knew before was from 1980's True Colors album (the one that came in four different colours artworks (as Genesis would the next year with Abacrap) and they supêrb laser-etched disc. Their subsequent discs (Time & Tide,  Conflicting Emotions etc...) were typically new wave (they looked like Elvis Costello look-alikes). So I had voted no!
 
But I had no idea that the band existed for so long before that one album.
 
 
But upon listening to three of their first four:
 
Second Toughts (76), Dizrythmia (77),  Frenzy (78), I know understand why you ask for their inclusions. Certainly they are no less prog than Queen, 10CC , Roxy Music and other groups that are in prog related. Just like The Sparks, these guys could easily fit in the prog-related category.
 
They used Mellotrons until 78, and although they can be poppy, they are no more than previously mentioned other bands.
 
 
 
However from true Colours onwards
 
 
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
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Points: 1751 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2006 at 03:39
I looks like the admin might have a closer inspection on Enz, if any of you guys could give mp3's from their albums Second Thoughts or Mental Notes especially, or else theband's bio for the admin to sample, it would really helpful. I've given their official web address.
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Maybe it's the old videos with the very 80's hairstyle that throws people off? Maybe it's the singles sound 80's new wave?

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Points: 1751 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2006 at 19:21
Originally posted by donalds donalds wrote:

I like this site, but I think Split Enz should be on it, given their early roots in a mixture of art rock - progressive rock during the early - mid 1970s..Tongue
I've been telling them this for a while now but they keep snubbing me, its really bizarre how the collaborators don't see them as progressive other websites count them as prog; wikipedia and new gibralter encyclpedia. They were considered art rock in their day, their music was unusual; the use of vaudivalle on songs is just weird ( I mean it in a good way), they had an unreleased 15 minute epic, but had mini suites like Walking Down a Road, Stranger than Fiction- a warped out 7 minute track with strange singing styles  narration, and change of themes. Also on dizrythemia album there is themed songs like Crosswords which just sounds crazy, and heaps of others, but the collaborators must be deaf or something, I can't see how Enz arn't prog, I told my friends that this website snubbed them and they thought it was really bizarre, I don't know what mp3's they heard but if it was during the prog period then clearly the admin arn't cut out for prog.
I just can't believe the admin don't see Enz as prog, and yet have groups like Roxy music snd Primus. IMHO they're must be biased or deaf.Cry 



  
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I like this site, but I think Split Enz should be on it, given their early roots in a mixture of art rock - progressive rock during the early - mid 1970s..Tongue
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