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chopper 
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 Posted: January 20 2009 at 13:15 |
 fandango wrote:
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I've seen them listed as prog in a couple of places, but this matter has been discussed to death already on ProgArchives and we should respect the decisions of the genre teams, who have rejected them. |
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Clappies seconded. This one has gone on too long.
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Jared
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Posted: January 20 2009 at 12:46 |
King By-Tor wrote:
I've seen them listed as prog in a couple of places, but this matter has been discussed to death already on ProgArchives and we should respect the decisions of the genre teams, who have rejected them. |
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: January 20 2009 at 12:44 |
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I've seen them listed as prog in a couple of places, but this matter has been discussed to death already on ProgArchives and we should respect the decisions of the genre teams, who have rejected them.
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crimson87
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Posted: January 20 2009 at 11:34 |
fandango wrote:
oh no....please don't try and add Stratovarius... not even to 'related'...they just aren't Prog, or even influenced by... |
The Yes influence in keyboards was the first thing I noted when I first listened to them. And I didn't even knew Yes!
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b_olariu
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Posted: January 20 2009 at 11:33 |
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WHy, I don't want to begun with if one is added then why not other. You guys I think you are not open minded, or you are to much, thats why is Metallica here , and more than 25 % of so called prog metal bands. So don't start with not even influenced by.
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Jared
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Posted: January 20 2009 at 11:17 |
oh no....please don't try and add Stratovarius... not even to 'related'...they just aren't Prog, or even influenced by...
Edited by fandango - January 20 2009 at 11:18
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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b_olariu
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Posted: January 20 2009 at 11:15 |
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Hahahaha , Yes Stratovarius is one of the best bands ever, I like'em a lot. They are in between I think, melodic power metal with prog leanings. So an entry in PA I think is fair
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Posted: December 02 2008 at 23:05 |
I love the band and just out of love I'll be happy to see them. But prog they really aren't.
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: December 02 2008 at 14:16 |
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They're listed in The Progressive Rock Files by Jerry Lucky. I was surprised to see them there.
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Vompatti
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Posted: December 02 2008 at 14:11 |
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Stratovarius are definitely prog. They even have keyboards, don't they?
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Diaby
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Posted: December 02 2008 at 13:38 |
Pafnutij wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Pafnutij wrote:
No, I dont think you can be power metal and prog simultaneously.
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Do you know Adagio and Symphony X? 
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Well yeah SyX is quite power-metallish and I think DT's Images and Words is too, but they are different Stratovarius and their clones cause they use that power-metal approach in a more creative way (damn, i guess there IS prog power metal then  ) |
Could you explain what's power metal in I&W?
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UMUR
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Posted: December 02 2008 at 13:25 |
 You gotta love it. I used to be a big fan of Stratovarius but I wouldn´t consider them progressive. One of the best live acts I ever saw though.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: December 01 2008 at 20:16 |
^Okay, this thread didn't need to be bumped
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luger7
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Posted: December 01 2008 at 20:12 |
I love Stratovarius but I think They don't belong here....although I was shocked when I found Rhapsody here(i love it too) It's pure (symphonic, yes) Power Metal! so it seems any band with symphonic elements is considered prog ..... sooooooo... Metallica is here? well, Iron Maiden? (yeah!!!!) I vote for Helloween then...just kidding  (c'mon...Helloween...please....)
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Jonny Two Shoes
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 17:08 |
As a new member here I am well aware that flaming others is not considered good practice. So I shall try refrain.
However...this topic of discussion is...............................(let me behave rather :))
Stratovarius not considered a prog band? Yet you include Metallica on these forums? You go as far as saying Metallica influenced Dream Theater? IMO Metallica has not influenced any band on the same league as Stratovarius so I don't know how that conclusion was made. Put the two head to head on stage together? Now let us talk.
Nightwish? Not meant to be on these forums either? hmmmmmm......
No matter what roots a band has, no matter whether or not they incorporate classical, jazz, pop, country or blues in their music it should make no difference. Progressive music in my opinion is all about the structure, or rather the lack thereof. This simple difference in this genre defines a musician because, well lets be frank...what's more difficult? Following your typical verse chorus structure or trying to remember an entire song from start to finish? And honestly anyone who says Stratovarius are not musically talented deserves a kick up the @rs*! You try pick up a guitar and play to them! (There is more than one thread on this topic so I relate these comments to all)
Listen I can go on and on but bottom line is that Stratovarius is progressive and I am quite amused this topic is even open to debate especially considering some other bands in the mix here. Take another listen to them and tell me you can consider it purely power metal.
(BTW I am not a fan of Stratovarius)
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: April 30 2008 at 16:00 |
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By the way, if there ever is a 30 minute nu-metal song, that would be torture... |
Deftones - MX
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bluesynight
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Posted: April 30 2008 at 15:38 |
The T wrote:
if there ever is a 30 minute nu-metal song, that would be torture...
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SO TRUE!! the argument about metallica became more about they influence on prog, rather then about they adding. as for stratovarius, in my opinion by this site policies they are prog, but the policies are not specific enough, and this argument become more about personal taste(A.K.A never ending pointless loops).
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The T
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Posted: April 30 2008 at 15:27 |
The case with Metallica is closed, but just as a note, is not the length of the songs or the pretty guitar parts but, IMO, the approach to riffing and the structuring of songs... but their inclusion is impossible right now, so I guess we have to go back to Stratovarius...
By the way, if there ever is a 30 minute nu-metal song, that would be torture...
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: April 30 2008 at 15:09 |
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and just for the fun of it...how many power metal band with classical elements you know? not including prog bands of course.
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The vast majority of power metal bands have classical influence. That's a pretty defining characteristic of the genre. Sonata Arctica, for one, is/was a power metal band that had plenty of classical influences. And back to Metallica for a bit, the whole argument for their inclusion is very skewed in my opinion. I don't believe in adding something that is inversely prog, ie not prog of it's own merits but rather prog because of what others did. Sure, they wrote long songs, and they had little pretty guitar parts and everything, but it was still thrash metal. A 30-minute nu-metal song is still nu-metal (Deftones - MX).
Edited by Avantgardehead - April 30 2008 at 15:13
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bluesynight
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Posted: April 30 2008 at 14:56 |
The T wrote:
I disagree. Without Metallica, there hardly could've been an Images And Words....
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Images And Words? it was influenced by rush, and in my opinion genesis.
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