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I've fixed both duplicate entries (Kyros - Mannequin and Fractal Sextet / Stephan Thelen - Sky Full of Hope). If anyone had them in their lists, please check again and add them back if they went missing.
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^ I added the artwork. The easiest way to do that is to add the bandcamp link, if it exists, then we automatically import artwork and tracklist.
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I don't know if anyone can help? I've added Jane Weaver - Love in Constant Spectacle to AP. It's an 'alternative' album from 2024 I rather enjoy. I've no idea how to add the artwork though. Below is the wiki page. Thanks!
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^ on the subject of double entries , Kyros - Mannequin is also on twice (it's on my recommendations even though I already have it in my list!)
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It's listed under Stephan Thelen separately on Awesome Prog. That one does say it's on PA so I used thar in my rankings. ETA: Mike should fix the double entry in AP when he has a chance. Edited by mathman0806 - January 18 2025 at 19:23 |
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Note to Mike: The album listed at 24 is actually on PA even though AP doesn't say so. It's under Stephan Thelen though, rather than Fractal Sextet.
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I've got to say that this is not exactly flattering for PA - out of the top 10 only 3 are on PA, on ranks 4, 8, and 9... anyway, here we go: 2. Nik Bärtsch’s Ronin - SPIN [AP] [BC] 7. Fievel Is Glauque - Rong Weicknes [AP] [BC] 10. Kugelschreiber - Cheerleaders [AP] [BC] 14. Beth Gibbons - Lives Outgrown [AP Prog-Adj] [SPO] 15. The Smile - Cutouts [SPO] 21. 武田理沙 - Vertigo 23. Vylet Pony - Monarch of Monsters [AP Prog] [BC] 27. The Cure - Songs Of A Lost World [AP Prog] [SPO] 38. Rob Mazurek & Exploding Star Orchestra - Spectral Fiction [AP Prog] [BC] 39. Cassiber - Collaborations [BC] 40. Fred Frith - Fifty [SPO] Edited by Lewian - January 18 2025 at 18:27 |
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^ Yes, the "which one would I like to listen to again the most" approach is interesting. Sometimes it's in conflict with the ratings I assign, I often feel an urge to listen to something again which I gave a low A-tier rating while other releases which I rated higher seem less appealing. It's difficult to properly account for the "mood factor", but maybe in the end a ranking based solely on the number of plays would be the most trustworthy one. In Daniel Kahnemans terms, the number of plays represent the "fast" intuitive thinking while the assigned ratings represent the slow, deliberate thinking.
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I do a similar thing. I compare two albums and rank them based on which one I'd pick up first in a average listening environment (i.e. I'm not in the mood for a particular style)
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As a contrary opinion, I used to try to always have 20 albums (when that was the limit), which resulted in the top half of the list being albums I'd listened to many times and the bottom half being ones where I was going off a recollection of an impression on a short number of listens. This year I tried to rank my list based on how likely I was to pick up the album and listen to it all the way through again, and if I did, how much I thought I would be likely to enjoy that listen. So in that sense, some albums that I listened to quite a few times didn't make my list, because I felt I got all I could out of them in just a few listens. And every album that was on my list is one I've listened to through quite a few times.
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I have a list that is now up to 80+ albums , mostly prog and mostly available on streaming (but occasionally I buy the download as I did with Versa's album as it was not readily available). I try to listen to the albums that are at the top of PA's rankings but again some albums are not available for streaming like Greco Bastians and it's just a bit too expensive to download knowing that I'm not a big fan of the first one (although I don't hate it). In terms of assessing albums, if I know the band well then I feel I can assess quite quickly. I have bought six albums on vinyl that were released in 2024 so they have had plenty of listens. I'm most disappointed with the Frost* album to be honest but because its a double I think it will be hard to come to a definitive opinion at this stage. I don't find it as engaging as say Azure's Fym album which is a similar length but 'knocks it out the park' using sporting parlance. (but I havent come to a final opinion on it as yet after only 3 listens, maybe top 10 at least, could be top 5) I do find that frequency indicator useful. I have got a bit over excited initially for some albums that have not stood up to repeated plays. The most obvious one is Neal Morse and The Resonance which quickly went from top 5 to only top 50. It is still good though. In general I have overrated far too many albums. I know this but at the end of the day I do like a lot of albums from last year. So if I'm giving something 8/10 I don't think its a crime. I have got about 10 albums I rate at least 9/10 and I'm quite happy about that. If I don't like something or don't really engage at all with it then I simply don't rate it. I don't see the point of having anything below 6/10 in my list and nearly everything is at least 7/10. Seems fine to me. I do constantly look at it though and will do until the end of January then it's done!
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This is my latest submitted list. I may tweak it but not sure how time I'll have to listen. 27 albums on PA, 16 not. I've suggested 3 of the not bands for inclusion.
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I only have 39, but should have a few more soon. In my top 24 or so I have listened to all albums multiple times, some only twice, some three times and some many times. Not in PA, Beth Gibbons' Lives Outgrown received the most spins and in PA The Smile's Wall of Eyes has received the most spins. Both had advance singles that I loved before hearing the album and before the album was released.
I hope we still get quite few more participating. There are various (many) notable forum names that have not entered. I won't say who is notable and is not. The notable ones are the ones that I would remember to note. ;) My ranking is quite arbitrary on the whole, my number one is clearest but that's not in PA so won't count for the PA Album of the Year, and a big part of me would rather not rank the albums, but with more participants I feel that that arbitrariness matters that much less. A whole bunch of arbitrary rankings for the win! I am almost as interested in seeing the individual lists as seeing the combined results. I don't take the ranking terribly seriously for my list, I would not rank to manipulate an albums overall ranking (that's kind of thing really sucks from my perspective) and I don't treat this AOTY as some kind of contest, but it's an indication of my interests. And I like to see other's individual interests whether we have similar interests or not. If I think I appreciate an album enough after hearing it once, or even if I just thought it worth noting after one listen, then that would be enough for me to add it. And then reevaluate later, or perhaps never return to it again. Some I know I'll love on first spin, some others might take time to grown on me or I know I just need to be in the right headspace (mood, lack of distractions). Edited by Logan - January 16 2025 at 08:26 |
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^ That's a good way of keeping track of it if you're not using the familiarity setting. And a good way of ranking, since generally speaking your most favourite releases will also be the ones you listen to most.
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I try to give an album at least 3 full listens before ranking it in the top 40. The ones in the bottom half of the chart are partly there because of initial reaction and lack of listens. Everything in the top half grabbed me enough for repeat listens. Unless it's something like Tigran Hamasyan that I bought just recently and grabbed me immediately. |
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^ Interesting! I am more liberal in assigning high ratings to releases I am still exploring, and I use the familiarity level at AP to keep track of things. So I can go through the (extensive) list of releases which I've only listened to once or a few times and decide where to go from there.
To make this more transparent, I have modified the poll user lists - they now show the familiarity level next to the ratings. So when you see a "supreme" rating from me, you'll also see the "disclaimer" that I'm still exploring the release and might change my mind ...
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My list is just over 40 and I do consider whether I go back to relisten to an album as part of how I rate/rank an album. It's partly why I rarely give an album an 'S' on your scale for any album in the year of its release. It has to survive a longevity factor to be supreme to me.
I also try to be considerate of any recency bias I might have. Asking myself, "Am I listening to it more because it's new?" "How will this hold up over time?" I don't do a thorough job of tracking my number of listens but albums I have purchased are a good indicator. With almost everything available to stream these days, the ones I purchase get up there because I usually purchase those that I am relistening to. |
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I'm curious - to everyone who submitted a really long list (e.g. more than 40 entries), like I also did previously: How often have you listened to the releases? Obviously it's hard to say unless you have a tool to keep track of it, but for me, when I had like 50 releases in the list there were many which I had only heard once. This year I'm filtering the list for releases that I still find truly outstanding after repeated listens throughout the year. I'm NOT saying that this is better or worse than any other strategy - what's your opinion?
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Think this is my final update following some late purchases, most significant addition is Tigran Hamasyan
1. Sleepytime Gorilla Museum - of the Last Human Being [BC] [SPO] Eerie Complex Exp Prog Avant RIO/Jazz 2. Present - this is NOT the end [BC] Dark Complex Exp Prog Avant RIO/Jazz 3. Nik Bärtsch’s Ronin - SPIN [BC] Ambient Contemporary Jazz/Electronic 4. Rob Mazurek & Exploding Star Orchestra - Spectral Fiction [BC] Prog Avant Jazz 5. Janel Leppin - Ensemble Volcanic Ash: To March Is To Love [BC] Exp Prog Art Jazz/Rock 6. Mary Halvorson - Cloudward [BC] [SPO] Playful Complex Prog Chamber Jazz/Rock 7. Godspeed You! Black Emperor - "No Title as of 13 February 2024 28,340 Dead" [BC] [SPO] Ambient Prog Post Rock 8. The Smile - Wall of Eyes [BC] [SPO] Mellow Abstract Neo Prog Post Rock/Pop 9. Caroline Shaw & Sō Percussion - Rectangles and Circumstance [BC] Exp Contemporary Classical 10. Six Organs of Admittance - Shackleton & Six Organs of Admittance: Jinxed by Being [BC] [SPO] Mysterious Atmospheric Non-Prog Avant Electronic/Rock 11. Antistatic - Relics [BC] Exp Prog Art Jazz/Rock 12. Tomeka Reid Quartet - 3+3 [BC] Exp Prog Art Jazz/Rock 13. Chelsea Wolfe - She Reaches Out To She Reaches Out To She [BC] [SPO] Dark Nocturnal Non-Prog Post Darkwave/Industrial 14. Tigran Hamasyan - The Bird Of A Thousand Voices [SPO] Cinematic Prog Avant Rock/Jazz 15. Avalanche Kaito - Talitakum [BC] [SPO] Energetic Noisy Exp Prog Avant Electronic/Rock 16. Cosa Brava - Z Sides [BC] Exp Rock/Jazz 17. Thumbscrew - Wingbeats [BC] Exp Non-Prog Avant Jazz/Rock 18. Inner Ear Brigade - Perkunas [BC] Zappaesque Exp Prog Avant Rock/Jazz 19. The Holy Family - Live Burning, Burning Live [BC] [SPO] Psych Exp Prog Alt Rock 20. Horse Lords - As It Happened: Horse Lords Live [BC] [SPO] Tech Exp Non-Prog Avant Rock/Jazz 21. Janel and Anthony - New Moon In The Evil Age [BC] Ambient Exp Prog Art Jazz/Independent 22. Tapir! - The Pilgrim, Their God and the King of My Decrepit Mountain [BC] [SPO] Mellow Lush Neo Prog Chamber Electronic/Folk 23. Lankum - Live In Dublin [BC] Irish Drone 24. Extra Life - The Sacred Vowel [BC] Melancholic Exp Prog Math Rock 25. Radio Massacre International - Galactic Furnace [BC] Exp Prog Art Electronic/Jazz 26. Olivia Block - The Mountains Pass [BC] Exp Electronic 27. Lunar Mistake - Lunar Mistake [BC] Quirky Post Punk/New Wave 28. Holy Tongue meets Shackleton - The Tumbling Psychic Joy of Now [BC] 29. GoGo Penguin - From The North [SPO] Tech Non-Prog Post Fusion 30. Rob Mazurek & Exploding Star Orchestra - Live at the Adler Planetarium [BC] Psych Avant Electronic/Jazz 31. Kugelschreiber - Cheerleaders [BC] Exp Chamber Pop 32. Orchestre Tout Puissant Marcel Duchamp - Ventre Unique [BC] World 33. Das Rad - Funfair [BC] [SPO] Exp Prog Avant RIO/Jazz 34. The Messthetics - The Messthetics and James Brandon Lewis [BC] [SPO] Rhythmic Prog Post Jazz/Hardcore 35. Pom Poko - Champion [BC] Alt Noise/Pop 36. Craven Faults - Thwaite Watermill [BC] Ambient Prog Electronic 37. Caroline Shaw - Leonardo da Vinci (Original Score) [BC] Ambient Folk Classical 38. Monkey3 - Welcome To The Machine [BC] [SPO] Psych Prog Space Rock/Metal 39. The Flying Luttenbachers - Losing the War Inside Our Heads Brutal Non-Prog Avant RIO 40. Smith, Ches - Laugh Ash [BC] [SPO] Complex Exp Non-Prog Avant Jazz 41. Signe Emmeluth - Banshee [BC] [SPO] Exp Avant Jazz 42. Papangu - Lampião Rei [BC] [SPO] Eclectic Prog Art Rock/Metal 43. Upupayāma - Mount Elephant Psych Non-Prog Raga 44. Snowdrops - Singing Stones (Volume 1) [BC] Ambient Exp Chamber Classical/Electronic 45. Cassiber - Collaborations [BC] Exp Prog Avant RIO/Jazz 46. Luz De Riada - Rizoma [BC] Slow Exp Prog Avant RIO/Jazz 47. Snakes Don't Belong In Alaska - Navegando Al Paraiso [BC] [SPO] Psych Prog Space Krautrock 48. Cheer Accident - I Want My Buddha Back [BC] Noisy Exp Prog Post Rock/Metal 49. Shabaka - Perceive Its Beauty, Acknowledge Its Grace [SPO] Soothing Poetic Non-Prog Chamber Jazz 50. 137 - Strangeness Oscillation [BC] [SPO] Exp Jazz 51. Zombi - Direct Inject [BC] [SPO] Ambient Prog Space Rock/Electronic 52. Quartet Diminished - Deerand [BC] Suspenseful Exp Prog Art Jazz/Rock 53. This Celestial Engine - This Celestial Engine [BC] [SPO] Melancholic Lush Exp Prog Fusion/Rock 54. Yussef Dayes - Live From Malibu [BC] [SPO] Mellow Cinematic Funky Non-Prog Contemporary Jazz/Fusion 55. Panzerpappa - Skjeringspunkt [BC] Prog Rock 56. Rhùn - Tozzos [BC] [SPO] Eclectic Exp Prog Avant Zeuhl/RIO 57. Slift - Ilion [BC] [SPO] Eerie Psych Prog Space Rock/Metal 58. Nik Bärtsch - Ronin Rhythm Clan: Moonday [BC] [SPO] Contemporary Jazz 59. Theo May's ODD UNIT - Alive In The Forest Of Odd [BC] [SPO] Lush Exp Prog Chamber Jazz/Folk 60. ZIO CROCIFISSO - Campana di Legno [BC] Exp Prog Math Rock 61. Full Earth - Cloud Sculptors [BC] [SPO] Psych Exp Prog Space Rock/Electronic 62. Sean Ono Lennon - Asterisms [SPO] Psych Neo Prog Psychedelia/Fusion 63. Plantoid - Terrapath [BC] [SPO] Eclectic Exp Prog Space Rock/Pop 64. Can - Live in Paris 1973 [BC] [SPO] Hypnotic Psych Exp Prog Avant Krautrock 65. The Flying Luttenbachers - Spectral Warrior Mythos 2 [BC] Exp Post Classical/Noise 66. Montresor - Autopoiesis [BC] [SPO] Heavy Prog Avant RIO 67. Join The Din - Tales from Dance (Live Session) [BC] Psych Prog Alt Jazz/Rock 68. Tenk Van Dool & Paul Sears - Aperiodic Grok [BC] [SPO] Eclectic Prog Hard Rock/Fusion 69. Tom Penaguin - Tom Penaguin [BC] Exp Prog Canterbury Scene/Fusion 70. Greco Bastián - With a Little Hell from MORE friends [BC] Aggressive Prog Avant Zeuhl/RIO 71. Agusa - Noir [BC] [SPO] Psych Prog Folk Rock 72. Jane Getter Premonition - Division World [SPO] Melodic Prog Art Rock 73. PAKT - No Steps Left To Trace [BC] [SPO] Fusion 74. Elephant9 - Mythical River [BC] [SPO] Mysterious Eclectic Prog Avant Fusion/Rock 75. FUR - Notebook [BC] Jazz 76. Yang - Rejoice! [BC] Heavy Exp Prog Art Rock/Jazz 77. The Band Whose Name Is A Symbol - Verdun Psych Non-Prog Rock 78. Utopianisti - Reason In Motion [BC] Exp Prog Rock/Jazz 79. Jumble Hole Clough - They've Built an Ark in Arkham [BC] Prog Post Punk 80. Spectrum Orchestrum - Noziroh [BC] [SPO] Exp Prog Avant RIO/Jazz 81. Cloud Over Jupiter - Atomic Jupiter [BC] [SPO] Eclectic Prog Rock/Jazz 82. Sentient Beings - Truth Is Not The Enemy [BC] Exp Prog Jazz 83. God is an Astronaut - Embers [BC] [SPO] Ominous Tech Prog Post Rock/Metal |
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^ Those two were not on AP. You can add any other releases yourself, but I have added those two for you.
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