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Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

I read years ago, and I can't find the source now, that Steve Howe was originally inspired by the Big Valley theme song for that section. I don't know who the source was and how reputable they were. And really, that pattern in the intro to the song has certainly had numerous variations that sound similar. Its not particularly unique, except in the context that Yes adapted it.

Jon Anderson told that same story in his live "Voice of Yes" show in the Chicago suburbs, 5 August 2011.  He gave a very enthusiastic telling of that story, even pretending to be riding a horse like a charging cowboy!   The way Jon told it, they were all inspired by the song, not just Howe.  


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Originally posted by Ghost Whistler Ghost Whistler wrote:

It's very easy to sniff and sneer but this is a decent track IMO. Light years better than Heaven And Earth.

Chris isn't coming back and none of them are getting younger. I think it bodes well for the album and I don't care if it sounds like a TV show no one watches anymore
Totally agree with you. If the complaint is that the melody line isn't original in that it reminds you of a TV show then I think it's the least of your worries. There is no such thing as an original melody. In 400 years of musical literature every melody on the musical scale has been used up. 
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Originally posted by A Crimson Mellotron A Crimson Mellotron wrote:

Gave it just one listen, therefore I will describe it in just one word: boring!
I listened to it. I actually thought it was very good. If the rest of the album is this good then I'm looking forward to buying it. 
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sadly the band needs JA--and Rick or Patrick to be interesting--but that will never happen. The fact that Anderson/Howe are still alive but hate each other is a prog tragedy.
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Wouldn't quite be the first time.

The opening to "Yours is No Disgraced" is borrowed from the theme to "Grandstand," a BBC sports program (listen at thirteen seconds in).



I read years ago, and I can't find the source now, that Steve Howe was originally inspired by the Big Valley theme song for that section. I don't know who the source was and how reputable they were. And really, that pattern in the intro to the song has certainly had numerous variations that sound similar. Its not particularly unique, except in the context that Yes adapted it. 



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It's very easy to sniff and sneer but this is a decent track IMO. Light years better than Heaven And Earth.

Chris isn't coming back and none of them are getting younger. I think it bodes well for the album and I don't care if it sounds like a TV show no one watches anymore
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Wouldn't quite be the first time.

The opening to "Yours is No Disgraced" is borrowed from the theme to "Grandstand," a BBC sports program (listen at thirteen seconds in).


Same rhythm but not the same notes.


Quite right.  Howe has said they took them rhythm and changed the chords.  I'm only referring to borrowing from a TV show theme. 
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Wouldn't quite be the first time.

The opening to "Yours is No Disgraced" is borrowed from the theme to "Grandstand," a BBC sports program (listen at thirteen seconds in).


Same rhythm but not the same notes.
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Wouldn't quite be the first time.

The opening to "Yours is No Disgraced" is borrowed from the theme to "Grandstand," a BBC sports program (listen at thirteen seconds in).
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Originally posted by judahbenkenobi judahbenkenobi wrote:

At least it is a bit more energetic than Heaven and Earth. The first time I heard that one I had to check my player several times to see if I wasn't playing it at 0.5x.

This^  ...and I like the fluctuating vocal melody line at the end of lines like,
 "We're pushed to the edge of the ice"  Ice has five notes.   I like Sherwood's bass lines too. 


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At least it is a bit more energetic than Heaven and Earth. The first time I heard that one I had to check my player several times to see if I wasn't playing it at 0.5x.
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Gave it just one listen, therefore I will describe it in just one word: boring!
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Yeah Geoff Downes is an insufferable old man who hasn't done anything musically good since Drama 40 years ago. I'll always respect Steve Hillage for ripping into him on twitter when Geoff went on a condescending rant about how DJs aren't real musicians for no reason.

What shocked me (a bit) was how easy he gave up, out of the blue it seems, his partnership with John Payne who was his main collaborator and songwriter in Asia for 15 years. Quite shady if you ask me... 


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Yeah Geoff Downes is an insufferable old man who hasn't done anything musically good since Drama 40 years ago. I'll always respect Steve Hillage for ripping into him on twitter when Geoff went on a condescending rant about how DJs aren't real musicians for no reason.

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Could this be a deliberate PR stunt? How many more people have listened to the new song just because of the controversy over plagiarism?

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

^ Oh, you're a bit harsh on Downes. I agree, it sounds a bit 1984, but that synth line is very strong - it could become a hit...

I've exchanged words with Downes via email, we don't like one another.  I prefer the other chap. 
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Originally posted by Artik Artik wrote:

In Geoff words: 
1) In regards to recent messages, the original idea for The Ice Bridge track appears on a 1977 showreel of mine at a time when I was composing jingles and library music for a West End music production company.
2) Over the last couple of years, I have been looking at some of these early ideas, and felt that this one was suitable for further development. GD


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^ Oh, you're a bit harsh on Downes. I agree, it sounds a bit 1984, but that synth line is very strong - it could become a hit...

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Comedic Relief:

https://www.reddit.com/r/yesbandcirclejerk/comments/oqhjrs/woah_new_yes_track_just_dropped_i_hope_this_one/


LOL  Jon Davison sounds much better on here... although it does make me think of another tune...

I agree about Davison, I think he is letting go of trying to imitate Jon Anderson and singing in his own style. 

This bit of JD's vocals reminds me of his vocal work on Glass Hammer's "Perilous," my favorite CD by that band. 

Downes, on the other hand, remains bad as always.  
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