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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

This poll has again....informed me of...
Some people place production above musical merit...
DSOTM was overated in 1973 and still is 47 years later...
The zeitgeist has constantly changed but the elephant is still in the prog room....

I have chosen DSOTM but I subscrive your opinion, it is exactly the thesis I have supported elsewhere: the overestimation of DTSOM because of its great production, its sound effects, its captivating tricks.
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Anyway. I was thinking about the genre conumdrum. Clearly, as I have said I can and do apply genre at TRACK level. Thus, you can allow for a time period analysis of a band, who change genre OVER time. I know that true objective parameters for each genre have not been clearly identified but if you compare DSOTM track by track, only ACYL is actually anywhere near a prog track...and my subjective analysis is as valid as anybody else's. It aint nothing but a brilliantly recorded art rock/AOR release which stands out IN 1973 BECAUSE IT WASN'T PROG ROCK...I will argue this till I die at the age of 134....listening to Foxtrot...

Humorously enough, the tribute to the album Return to the Dark Side of the Moon features a veritable cornucopia of prog musicians:

Rick Wakeman (Yes)
Steve Howe (Yes)
Peter Banks (Yes)
Bill Bruford (Yes, King Crimson)
John Wetton (King Crimson)
Adrian Belew (King Crimson)
Tony Levin (King Crimson)
Allen White (Yes)
Geoff Downes (Yes)
Aynsley Dunbar (Frank Zappa & The Mothers)
Tony Kaye (Yes)
Billy Sherwood (Yes)
Dweezil Zappa (Zappa on Zappa)
Gary Green (Gentle Giant)
Scott Page (Pink Floyd, Supertramp)
Colin Moulding (XTC)
Larry Fast (Nektar)

Throw in jazz, rock and blues performers like...
Edgar Winter (White Trash, EWG)
David Sancious (Stanley Clarke, Peter Gabriel)
Tony Franklin (Kenny Wayne Shepherd, Roy Harper, David Gilmour)
Jimmy Haslip (Yellowjackets, Allan Holdsworth)
Vinnie Colaiuta (Joni Mitchell, Frank Zappa)
Robben Ford (Miles Davis, Yellowjackets, L.A. Express)
Jeff Baxter (Steely Dan)
Robbie Krieger (The Doors)

One has to wonder if these extraordinary musicians appreciate the album and its progressive influence a sight more than you do. LOL








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DSOTM is border line very good /excellent.  Foxtrot is border line excellent / phenomenal.
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As good as Dark Side is, Foxtrot is s still my preferred album. The
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Anyway. I was thinking about the genre conumdrum. Clearly, as I have said I can and do apply genre at TRACK level. Thus, you can allow for a time period analysis of a band, who change genre OVER time. I know that true objective parameters for each genre have not been clearly identified but if you compare DSOTM track by track, only ACYL is actually anywhere near a prog track...and my subjective analysis is as valid as anybody else's. It aint nothing but a brilliantly recorded art rock/AOR release which stands out IN 1973 BECAUSE IT WASN'T PROG ROCK...I will argue this till I die at the age of 134....listening to Foxtrot...

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Is DSOTM a very good lp...it certainly is.
Is it prog rock....for the most part it is.
Is it 'superior' to Foxtrot.....not necessarily ,and as always in these type of threads it's completely subjective.
People vote for the lp they like the best.
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

This poll has again....informed me of...
Some people place production above musical merit...
DSOTM was overated in 1973 and still is 47 years later...
The zeitgeist has constantly changed but the elephant is still in the prog room....

And yet one thing remains constant: you were wrong in 1973 and you are still wrong 47 years later. 

I still recall hearing DSotM when it was released. I recall where I first heard it at age 13 in 1973, and who I was with. Fantastic album, always has been. Which is why so many millions of people wore out their vinyl, then wore out their 8 tracks, then wore out their cassettes, and then purchased various CDs and DATS and whatever technologies.

And it is progressive rock. You have offered scant little to obviate the obvious. Other than your hurt feelings. Did a fluorescent Pink Floyd prism poster cut your finger when you removed it from the plastic and unrolled it back in the 70s? LOL
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It's kind of reminded me that trying to engage in dialectic, and have a nuanced conversation, can be really challenging.

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This poll has again....informed me of...
Some people place production above musical merit...
DSOTM was overated in 1973 and still is 47 years later...
The zeitgeist has constantly changed but the elephant is still in the prog room....
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In my personal ranking, 

I've put 8,5/9 that is Four and a half stars at both.

They are, in my code, almost masterpieces but not real masterpieces.

What can I choose?

I dont know, but go The Dark go!


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^ It's nice to hear Waters being critical of something he was involved with other than Atom Heart Mother (which in that case I took as disrespectful to Ron Geesin).

By the way, I don't how many others are watching Westworld, but I loved hearing Pink Floyd in this official trailer for season three:



Of course Dark Side of the Moon is one of the most referenced and iconic albums.

By the way, this poll has got me listening to Foxtrot again and appreciating more than what I used to appreciate it from it. I like topics that not only help me to discover new-to-me music, but also ones that get me to re-evaluate/ reconsider music. And even if I may have often have problems with notions of superiority/ best/ worst unless approaching it from within a very specific framework, it can be interesting and make for more lively discussion and debate than just another "What's your favourite?" kind of topic. It can be rather more fun.

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Foxtrot has a lot of rough edges but that is part of its charm. Never been a massive fan of DSOTM as a studio album but the few times I've seen it performed in its entirety live have both been great especially with the 'flying bed' video sequence that Roger Waters used for On The Run.
Great Gig In The Sky is another highlight. I look forward to that whenever I see The Australian Pink Floyd every year. Time is also absolutely classic. In fact most of it is good at least but I still wonder if it really adds up to a whole hill of beans. Even Waters was not totally convinced and felt he had got away with something apparently!
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I am much more of a floyd guy than a Genesis guy, I do like Foxtrot but Dark Side is by far the better album for my taste.
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

I am stating that Floyd produced some superb symphonic prpg. No question...even tho I wouñd still place Foxtrot above those tho. But DS... is just not prog. Using abacab as an example of an album popular with non prog fans...DS... is liked by non proggers to an extent that Floyd fan boys cannot get their heads round...Prog Genesis fans HATE abacab or at least realise it is pop...DSOTM IS NOT FECKING PROG, NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE...AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH....

Why does it matter that non proggers like DS?  Non proggers (those who like jazz) also like Steely Dan.  Non proggers also like a bunch of Jethro Tull's stuff.  Not all prog rock band material fancied by non prog listeners is Abacab category.   


The poll isn't about which album is more prog than the other, or at all. It's about which is superior. A no brainer, if ever there was one. The production of Dark Side...is absolutely outstanding. 
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

I am stating that Floyd produced some superb symphonic prog. No question...even tho I wouñd still place Foxtrot above those tho. But DS... is just not prog. Using abacab as an example of an album popular with non prog fans...DS... is liked by non proggers to an extent that Floyd fan boys cannot get their heads round...Prog Genesis fans HATE abacab or at least realise it is pop...DSOTM IS NOT FECKING PROG, NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE...AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH....

Well, Wikipedia says it's "Progressive rock", and only "Progressive rock".
 
 

And wikipedia is always right? Right? And like I said , Off the wall should also be classed as prog then...
It's the consensus across the internet that DSotM is prog. By all means, peruse any record site. Start with RateYourMusic and go from there. Across the world. In huts in Kenya and yurts in Mongolia. I don't recall any site ever listing Off the Wall as such, ever.

You have some weird hatred fixation for the album. Whatever. You're wrong. Majority rules. Have a nice day.
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

I am stating that Floyd produced some superb symphonic prog. No question...even tho I wouñd still place Foxtrot above those tho. But DS... is just not prog. Using abacab as an example of an album popular with non prog fans...DS... is liked by non proggers to an extent that Floyd fan boys cannot get their heads round...Prog Genesis fans HATE abacab or at least realise it is pop...DSOTM IS NOT FECKING PROG, NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE...AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH....

Well, Wikipedia says it's "Progressive rock", and only "Progressive rock".
 
 

And wikipedia is always right? Right? And like I said , Off the wall should also be classed as prog then...
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Because the question is "Which is superior?" rather than "Which do you prefer?", I have put aside my own biases and voted for the progressive rock album that has charted for over 900 weeks, sold over 45 million copies, and was one of the albums of the "Classic Albums" documentary series.
 
 
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

I am stating that Floyd produced some superb symphonic prog. No question...even tho I wouñd still place Foxtrot above those tho. But DS... is just not prog. Using abacab as an example of an album popular with non prog fans...DS... is liked by non proggers to an extent that Floyd fan boys cannot get their heads round...Prog Genesis fans HATE abacab or at least realise it is pop...DSOTM IS NOT FECKING PROG, NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE...AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH....
Well, Wikipedia says it's "Progressive rock", and only "Progressive rock".
 
 
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To be fair, I think I had the DSOTM is not prog argument in 1981. This was due to a knob I went to college with who claimed that Thomas Dolby was a superior keyboard player than Wakeman, Emerson and Banks, he loved DSOTM and stated it was technically superior to everything recorded 1969-1975....I reckon he was Mickys dad...
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