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daeve69
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 14:12 |
My guess is that you can tell which bands were doing drugs by how good the music sounds when you are doing them yourself. I can listen to Yes and Floyd (and most 60's psych) while stoned, but not Tull or Zappa.
I personally restrict myself to the occassional toke these days, but saw Gong in the mid 1990's while on mushroom tea. A friend says he saw Panterra while on acid, but I dont believe him...
I took acid in Israel many years ago. this may sound like a wierd place to trip, but the tel-aviv beachfront is really cool in the wee hours. I fell in love with a sunflower...that was like tripping in teh f**king sixties man!!!!
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horza
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 14:05 |
drugs enhanced the listeners pleasure of prog and aided understanding of lyrics written whilst under the influence of drugs
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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DEzerov
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 13:52 |
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The moon is made by some lame cooper and you can see the idiot has no idea about moons at all - Nikolay Gogol
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Prodigal
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 13:50 |
Revan wrote:
It's calling my attention that prog bands don't usually take drugs, is that true? |
I don't think anyone could tell you the exact truth about that. How do we know for sure what drugs have or have not been used by our favorite prog artists? Well yeah, pot is a no-brainer, of course. Come on, almost every musician in the world has tried pot at least once in his/her life. Regarding other drugs such as acid, cocaine or heroin, it's more difficult to assert. In most cases, I think the prog artists are really extremely imaginative and they don't need much help from psychotropic substances to accomplish their work. Whether if they use drugs or not, however, it should not be any of our business, we must simply enjoy the amazing and wonderful art they create.
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Haragei
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 13:47 |
Depends. Do you distinguish between pot and acid and other "soft" drugs on one side of the fence and highly addictive drugs liek cocaine and opiates on the other side of the fence. I personally think it is ridiculous to lump all "drugs" into one basket.
You don't have to go far to see the impact that psychedelics have had on prog. Just what do you think as in that tea that Gong and Daevid Allen were drinking?
I have heard the the Lamb Lies Down on Broadway is really an allegory for overcoming addiction, where Rael is a junkie who passes out on a broadway street after shooting up, and everything that happens after that is a hallucinatory dream. The references are all there -- the "spraygun" is really a syringe (why else would he "wipe" his gun clean and forget what he did?), Lenny Bruce, a famous morhine addict is referenced,"the children play at home with needles and pins."
But Jon Anderson on cocaine???? I find that a little hard to swallow (or snort).
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Gaston
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 13:01 |
Less common by the prog makers or the prog listeners? I think you know
the answer to that. Personally I think bands like Floyd actually just
MADE music for people on drugs.
I read A Saucerful of Secrets a while back and it stated that Rog and
Nicky only really drank, but Dave and Rick were smokers. I think they
also stated that none of them did acid or heavys while performing as
"you couldn't possibly manipulate the tech and instruments in that
state" or something to that effect...
And as a musician who has taken drugs and tried to play, I agree. Stick to the liquid courage.
Also, there's a reference in Pompei where the Adrien asks Dave if he
thought the Floyd were "a very drug oriented band" and Dave's like
"We're not" (obviously stoned at the time, if you look at his bloodshot
squints) "you can trust us".....
    
Gaston
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It's the same guy. Great minds think alike.
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sigod
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 12:42 |
Off Centre wrote:
goose wrote:
Someone from the original recording KC lineup said
something to the effect that drugs weren't anything to do with the band
as a whole, that he (the drummer, I think) personally had never
taken anything and that he didn't know that anyone else has. |
Read Sid Smiths KC book and all will be revealed.
For a start, Ian McDonald's own diary entries from 1969 mention his drug taking(speed & pot).
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Spot on.
The book is worth a read anyway. Quite the best biography of both Fripp and the band so far.
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I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision.
- Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill
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Off Centre
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 12:39 |
goose wrote:
Someone from the original recording KC lineup said
something to the effect that drugs weren't anything to do with the band
as a whole, that he (the drummer, I think) personally had never
taken anything and that he didn't know that anyone else has. |
Read Sid Smiths KC book and all will be revealed.
For a start, Ian McDonald's own diary entries from 1969 mention his drug taking(speed & pot).
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Anaon
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 10:33 |
But about Yes, don't you think that all those jokes or allusions are ironic?
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goose
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 09:45 |
Someone from the original recording KC lineup said something to the effect that drugs weren't anything to do with the band as a whole, that he (the drummer, I think) personally had never taken anything and that he didn't know that anyone else has.
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fender101
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 08:46 |
Are you kidding me?
Quote Mojo Mag
""Me and Dikmik had been up four days on Dexedrine spansules, so we were pretty well bent", Lemmy explains. "But we had this gog at the roundhouse - the one where we recorded Silver Machine - so we had a couple of Mandrax to calm us down. Then it got a bit boring, so we had two black bombers each. We get to the roundhouse and somebody comes up with alot of Bombers, and we take 10 each - a lot. Then someone comes up with some Mandrax, and we were getting very twisted up by now, so we had at least three each to calm us down again. Then someone came up with cocaine, f**king big bags of it, and we thought we'd have some of that. All this time in the dressing room theres constant smoking - we were all blasted out of our heads from dope. And people were producing acid and mescaline. We all had some of that. By the time we come to go onstage me and DikMik are stiff as boards. I said I can't move can you? He went, 'no its great isnt it?' I said what are we gonna do when we cant play? He said ' we'll think of something...."
FUNNY sh*t!!!!
Pink Floyd( have you seen pompei), KC, Yes (Quote Squire "What can I say? We smoked alot of dope" Mojo)
Thats all I can be 100% sure on but I'm sure there are hundreds more.
I think its great - If more bands had done drugs the music would be even better
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Well McGarnical Billy is dead! They slit his throat from ear to ear!
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Off Centre
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 08:45 |
King Crimson 1969 -1974
I think only Robert Fripp and Michael Giles refrained from using drugs, the rest indulged.
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sigod
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 08:19 |
Fish can be seen dragging on a spliff off stage just before the encore on the 'Recital Of The Script' DVD/Video.
It looks as though he needed it as well.
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I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision.
- Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill
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Blacksword
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 08:15 |
Tull were 'anti' drugs.
Zappa was 'anti' drugs
Genesis never took them, apart from Phil Collins who admitted smoking weed on one tour.
Yes were all clean living moderate drinking veggies - a part from Wakemen.
Rush didn't like getting battered on tour because they knew they couldn't play as well off their heads.
ELP. Dont know about them, but they acted like they lived on cocaine! 
Hawkwind. Now they were perhaps the cleanest living of all. Lemmy in particular hated drugs!  
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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the dragon
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 08:05 |
I'm not so sure that ''Yes were clean": rumors says the opposite...
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Still alive...
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BaldFriede
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 08:02 |
Guru Guru guitarist Roland Schaeffer answered the question of
"Elektrolurch" Mani Neumeier "Was bedeutet eigentlich der Name Guru
Guru?" ("What does the name Guru Guru mean, by the way?"; this is one
of the questions the Elektrolurch asks the band) with "Täglich
fit mit 2 Gramm sh*t" (a little difficult to translate into English,
but it is as if he said "an apple a day keeps the doctor away", only
replacing "apple" with "2 grams of hashish") on the album "Guru Guru
Live". And they announced they
would now play the "silent trumpet" on stage in one concert, after
which someone with
a trumpet appeared on stage, and into the horn they had stuffed a
gigantic joint. They all took a deep draw, and then they gave the
trumpet to the audience. I know this from tales of my brother, who saw
them on the 1976 or 1977 Brain Festival in Essen (don't know the exact
year at the moment). Also they definitely didn't have a track named
"Der LSD-Marsch" ("The LSD-March") on their first album for nothing.
Gong, Hawkwind and Amon Düül 2 were excessive drug users too. Ash Ra
Tempel and the Cosmic Jokers (basically the same band) were befriended
with LSD-Guru Timothy Leary, which certainly says something about them
too. Let's face it: Most of the early Krautrock is heavily
drug-influenced.
Edited by BaldFriede
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 BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 06:31 |
lunaticviolist wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
The Miracle wrote:
Yes were clean, and so were Tull. Not sure about KC tho.
in general, prog bands use way less drugs than hard rock and metal bands.
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Yes were clean???? Come on...I've heard Squire talk about the drug
culture of the band, and let's face it, Jon's been doing coke so long,
you could grind him up and snort him and get high. Don't know
about Tull, but I'm sure KC tripped the light fantastic quite a few
times.
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I'm sure Tull did not take drugs. Anderson announced at the
1970 Isle of Wight festival something along the lines of "Tear down the
fence, score some pot," mocking the hippy culture. |
Tull were all totally clean. Ian Anderson has been quite vocal about his anti-drug stance.
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TheBarbarian
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 06:27 |
ELP were fairly regular users of drugs, Keith also used a lot of acid when in the Nice.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 04:35 |
The Miracle wrote:
Yes were clean, and so were Tull. Not sure about KC tho.
in general, prog bands use way less drugs than hard rock and metal bands.
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Yes were complete dopeheads!
Anderson's gibberish lyrics came to him from smoking tea leaves (he actually jokes about this in concert). Squire was quoted recently as TFTO albums concept was due to too much toking!
Most musicians did something (beit alcohol or more elicit stuff) and the prog bands did not escape that anymore than others!
Tull and Zappa being a bit more of an exception...... Drugs were discouraged but those two leaders needed no drugs tobe trippy.... 21%O2 + 78% N2 did the trick for them!
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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krauthead
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 04:33 |
Pink Floyd, Amon Düül II, Guru Guru, Ash Ra Tempel, Tangerine Dream, Brainticket, Can, Cosmic Jokers, Gong, hawkwind, Kraftwerk etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. I think most of the band did use drugs in some way...
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