Most overrated album No. 1

Svetonio wrote: Dellinger wrote: Saperlipopette! wrote: Floydoid wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: IMHO Overrated means = Look at those idiots who love what I decided is mediocre. I couldn't agree more. You're such dullards. Is this what you think if or when someone talks about Michael Jackson's masterpiece Thriller as well? I don't really like "Thriller", nor is it a Masterpiece for me, but I couldn't really say that it's overrated, because there are so many more people who liked it than those who would call it overrated. Perhaps one could make a point for calling it overrated if we could compare out of those people who bought it at the time still like it / listen to it as opposed to those who bought albums like those in this poll, then you could say (if the results suported it) that the album sold well only because of marketing and not out of it's music quality. As far as that album is concerned, I do like the hit songs well enough, but it's got lots of... well, sort of pop ballads that are just too cheesy and I simply can't stand. As far as Michael Jackson is concerned, I liked the album "Bad" much more. Thriller is one of the greatest mastepieces of 80s without a doubt because 1) that passed the test of time due to the fact that Thriller is an album with the songs that are all amazing and still to sound fresh even today, 2) the album, released in early 80s (1982), so in the middle of New Wave histeria, was married the heritages of 70s Afro-American music' styles ( Funk, Soul and Disco ) with heritage of 70s Rock at the most succesfully way ever, regarding the mainstream; for example this song:

Just as I said, it's the personal opinion. For me it's only 3 or 4 songs on Thriller that I really enjoy, the rest just puts me to sleep... at best. Bad doesn't have so many boring songs... they are almost all at least enjoyable, or I do like them a lot... even among the ones that were not the classic hits from him... though I would have to listen to the album again to remember how much I liked it all.

+1 for Saper.

Dellinger wrote: Once again, for me the word "overrated" implies that the person using that word believes he is right and the many more people who have a different opinion are wrong, which just seems arrogant to me.

Is it arrogant to believe in your own opinion?

Is it possible to believe that a large number of people are mislead, manipulated, or conditioned into having certain beliefs?

North Korea is being portrayed as a country where the people are controlled, and most of what they say, believe or do, is under heavy manipulation from the government. Is it arrogant to say that the people of North Korea doesn't think for themselves because their ideas are controlled by the government?

I don't think North Korea is an exception. Opinions are most oftenly influenced by sources outside from the individual. And popular opinion is always changing.

So if I say "this song is overrated", being arrogant, and 10 years later the song is not popular anymore, I don't need to repeat "it is overrated" since popular opinion have changed. I can still say "it was overrated". But then someone could say "it wasn't overrated THEN".

Because "overrated" is always in relation to something, whatever you may think is relevant. According to the above example, the quality of music is in relation to the time when it is evaluated.

I don't see it like that. My latest opinion is the most valid for me. If I once appreciated an album and realized after a period of time that the album wasn't so good, I can establish that my original opinion wasn't fully developed. Would that be an insult to my previous self?

Most opinions are not fully mature, they are being influenced over time.

If you say "this album is overrated", you have an evaluation of popular opinion as well as of your own opinion. You can't know either one of them to a 100% accuracy. It's an estimation, but it can be more or less well grounded. And since it's a subject not dealing with facts, it is an opinion, not more or less.

Dellinger wrote: Once again, for me the word "overrated" implies that the person using that word believes he is right and the many more people who have a different opinion are wrong, which just seems arrogant to me.

Edited by Saperlipopette! - September 14 2015 at 18:19

Dellinger wrote: Saperlipopette! wrote: Floydoid wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: IMHO Overrated means = Look at those idiots who love what I decided is mediocre. I couldn't agree more. You're such dullards. Is this what you think if or when someone talks about Michael Jackson's masterpiece Thriller as well? I don't really like "Thriller", nor is it a Masterpiece for me, but I couldn't really say that it's overrated, because there are so many more people who liked it than those who would call it overrated. Perhaps one could make a point for calling it overrated if we could compare out of those people who bought it at the time still like it / listen to it as opposed to those who bought albums like those in this poll, then you could say (if the results suported it) that the album sold well only because of marketing and not out of it's music quality. As far as that album is concerned, I do like the hit songs well enough, but it's got lots of... well, sort of pop ballads that are just too cheesy and I simply can't stand. As far as Michael Jackson is concerned, I liked the album "Bad" much more.

Thriller is one of the greatest mastepieces of 80s without a doubt because 1) that passed the test of time due to the fact that Thriller is an album with the songs that are all amazing and still to sound fresh even today, 2) the album, released in early 80s (1982), so in the middle of New Wave histeria, was married the heritages of 70s Afro-American music' styles ( Funk, Soul and Disco ) with heritage of 70s Rock at the most succesfully way ever, regarding the mainstream; for example this song:

Edited by Svetonio - September 14 2015 at 01:31

Saperlipopette! wrote: Floydoid wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: IMHO Overrated means = Look at those idiots who love what I decided is mediocre. I couldn't agree more. You're such dullards. Is this what you think if or when someone talks about Michael Jackson's masterpiece Thriller as well?

I don't really like "Thriller", nor is it a Masterpiece for me, but I couldn't really say that it's overrated, because there are so many more people who liked it than those who would call it overrated. Perhaps one could make a point for calling it overrated if we could compare out of those people who bought it at the time still like it / listen to it as opposed to those who bought albums like those in this poll, then you could say (if the results suported it) that the album sold well only because of marketing and not out of it's music quality. As far as that album is concerned, I do like the hit songs well enough, but it's got lots of... well, sort of pop ballads that are just too cheesy and I simply can't stand. As far as Michael Jackson is concerned, I liked the album "Bad" much more.

Once again, for me the word "overrated" implies that the person using that word believes he is right and the many more people who have a different opinion are wrong, which just seems arrogant to me. I have come to believe that most people that use the word do it as an opinion of their personal preferences as oposed to that of the majority, and not really wanting to imply that they are the ones that are right... however, I do prefer to avoid that word. As for this poll, I do like "Close to the Edge" as much as it's regarded, as well as "In the Court of the Crimson King". For me, "Dark Side of the Moon" isn't the best album from Pink Floyd, I much prefer "Wish you Were Here" and "Animals"... I even like "The Divison Bell" more, and I guess I would rate that album 3rd within the options of the poll... however, I do believe the concept and the flow of the album is brilliant, and as a cohesive whole it might be the better of the 4 albums (even from Pink Floyd)... it's just that I like the music from the other albums more. And Foxtrot would be the album that I like less... it's got one incredible song on Supper's Ready, some other really good ones (Time Table, The Coast Liners), one really annoying one (Get 'em out by Friday), and one frustrating one (Watcher of the Skies, for it's got a great intro, and the music is fine enough, but there's something, some kind of mechanical coldness, that just puts me off, still Hacket's live version on Tokyo Tapes is something I really like a lot). But would I dare say Foxtrot is overrated and there's something wrong with people who like "Take 'em out by Friday"... I feel that would be totally wrong of me, so I just say which ones I do like, how much I like them and why.

Otto9999 wrote: Foxtrot, as nearly thoroughly Genesis music, is overrrated.   Genesis epitomizes everything about boring rock to me, Phil Collins' disco Genesis though is another story...

Foxtrot is the champion simply because the original LP wasn't recorded in professional manner.

Saperlipopette! wrote: emigre80 wrote: Cailyn wrote: The language issue I get.  For the record, what is the language spoken in Tomorrowland?    LOL   I did say why I thought DSOTM was overrated. All I got in return was doubts cast upon my motives, my character and my judgment. This doesn't encourage discussion. I normally speak the same language as these so its no wonder I come across as uncivil at times. I do believe I was more "generally insulting" but I'll admit it was intentional (and honest) - and got personal insults back. I don't mind. I was kind of asking for it. But I guess this bickering doesn't make an interesting read for anyone. emigre80 however has done nothing but elegantly defended his right to write his opinion even if Dean & the gang disapproves of it.